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I support.

I got an admin message when flagging a copy of one of my projects, too D: I mean, they'd used the same project notes as I did, with my upcoming projects etc there.

I support.

Support!

I got a message once, saying that remixing is encouraged, but I flagged a duplicate that said it was "inspired by".

I agree, more feedback as to why a flag was accepted or rejected would help a lot with educating people as to what the Scratch Team considers acceptable and and what is not.  Unfortunately, right now the system we are using is not set up to do that so it would all have to be done manually and would add a lot of work to our moderators.   But I think you have a very good point here and I would like to see something like your suggestion here put in place, when resources become available.

Maybe that means "two deliberately incorrect flags will get you banned", I highly doubt they'd ban you for making an honest mistake.

I support by the way.

Wes64 wrote:

RedRocker227 wrote:

Maybe that means "two deliberately incorrect flags will get you banned", I highly doubt they'd ban you for making an honest mistake.

either way how would they decide what an honest mistake is? I made an honest mistake but I still got the admin message so I interpret that as "you have 1 stike left"

Well when flagging a project you're asked for a reason, so if you just put "this project sux!!!! ROFL" then they'd count it as deliberate but if you put "I may be wrong, but I think this project contains ____ which may not be appropriate" then they'll be able to tell you genuinely thought it was flag-worthy.

Wes64 wrote:

After you flag a project, when the Scratch team reviews it they should send you a message saying "Yes, you are correct, this project is inappropriate. Thanks" or "No, this project is not inappropriate because xxxxxx"

I think this would really help people to know what projects are inappropriate. Besides when you badly flag a project the scratch team only sends you a message saying "This project is not inappropriate, please re-read the community guidelines". I mean what good is that? The community guidelines aren't specific enough to tell you where you went wrong. If you dont know why the project isn't inappropriate how can you ever hope to improve your flagging?

Actually, it says

We checked the project you flagged, but didn't find any problems with it. Please only flag projects or comments that are mean or inappropriate for Scratch. Check out the Community Guidelines for help deciding what is or isn't ok for Scratch. Flagging projects that aren't inappropriate or disrespectful may cause your account to be blocked. Thanks! - Scratch Team

Wes64 wrote:

Another thing is that if you badly flag a project twice you risk being banned!

cheddargirl wrote:

On the Scratch website, we do actually have a flagging rule: if you flag something not inappropriate, the Scratch Team usually sends you a notification the first time. Second time around, the account usually gets banned until the account owner appeals but contacting the Scratch Team.

I mean, banned! Thats a huge risk! You're better off not flagging anything! I think it should be a lot more lenient and friendly.

I know once I flagged a bunch of things I thought were copies and got an admin message. I didn't know they only count as copies if they're exact duplicates. I had to send the Scratch Team a personal message because I didnt know why I got that admin notification, and Amos still couldn't clear it up because he wasn't the one who sent it to me. So now Im on my "second time around". That means next time I flag a project that is actually appropriate I will be banned.

Bad flagging messages are sent for cases that are deliberate bad flagging. Examples include:
- saying a project has so-and-so bad content when none exists
- claiming comments with ridiculous reasons (such as "I find cats offensive to my race, please remove this project")
- flagging a project because you dislike it (such as "I hate cats")

If a project was flagged for something that wasn't bad but the flagger thought it was so, the notification usually comes up with an explanation. One good example I remember is when someone flagged something because he/she thought that the word "nuclear holocaust" was bad - the user was given a notification explaining nuclear holocaust isn't bad, and was even given a wikipedia page about more information about the definition of nuclear holocaust. That kind of misunderstanding doesn't result in a block at all.

As for the notification you got, you received this

We encourage remixing in the Scratch community, since we have seen how remixing can lead to creative, interesting projects. The website includes a "Based on..." link to give credit to the original author -- and we hope that remixers will also give credit in their Project Notes. Overall, we want the Scratch community to be full of creative activity and exciting projects, and remixing helps with that.

This isn't a bad flagging message, it's a notification that you were flagging remixes and not copies. When I pull up your notification history, there's no indication of bad flagging at all. Unless you got the bad flagging notification on another account, I have no idea why you're thinking you got a message of bad flagging.   

I did talk with Lightning before about extra notification messages aside from the "bad flagging" one - basically one that indicated if a project you flagged got removed by the ST and which ones got marked NFE by the ST. But that is to indicate moderator activity since currently users might find it strange to flag something they felt was bad but find it surprising that it never got removed from the website (when in reality, it got marked as NFE), giving a false impression that the ST is inactive.

Wes64 wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

"This project is not inappropriate, please re-read the community guidelines"

cheddargirl wrote:

Actually, it says

We checked the project you flagged, but didn't find any problems with it. Please only flag projects or comments that are mean or inappropriate for Scratch. Check out the Community Guidelines for help deciding what is or isn't ok for Scratch. Flagging projects that aren't inappropriate or disrespectful may cause your account to be blocked. Thanks! - Scratch Team

these both have the same general effect, the real one is just more gentle sounding. Neither of them tell you how to improve your flagging or why it was wrong, which is my suggestion.

I already pointed out in my post above that a custom notification is sent if the project was flagged for something that isn't bad and the user is corrected; I even gave an example. Bad flagging is sent for bad flagging done deliberately.

Does no one read my posts carefully anymore? 

cheddargirl wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

"This project is not inappropriate, please re-read the community guidelines"

cheddargirl wrote:

Actually, it says

these both have the same general effect, the real one is just more gentle sounding. Neither of them tell you how to improve your flagging or why it was wrong, which is my suggestion.

I already pointed out in my post above that a custom notification is sent if the project was flagged for something that isn't bad and the user is corrected; I even gave an example. Bad flagging is sent for bad flagging done deliberately.

Does no one read my posts carefully anymore? 

that isnt what I was talking about

i flagged a bunch of remixes and nobody told me specifically why I was not meant to flag them. That is what I mean. Ive also flagged other projects that have not been removed or marked as NFE. For that reason I assume that my flagging was incorrect. I would like to know why, not for cases of abuse of the flagging system, but just for anything that the scratch team does not find inappropriate that I do

cheddargirl wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

i flagged a bunch of remixes and nobody told me specifically why I was not meant to flag them.

But you got a message saying that remixing was okay, which means that your error was flagging remixes. Is that not enough? 

I dont think we're on the same page. It did not clearly state that a remix is only a copy when absolutely nothing has been changed. I thought that they were copies since the project notes remained unchanged and there were only minor graphics edits, such as changing blue to pink. It would have been nice to hear "this counts as a remix because blue has been changed to pink, therefore it is appropriate for Scratch and is not a copy of your game" rather than just a message telling me something I already know

cheddargirl wrote:

That is what I mean. Ive also flagged other projects that have not been removed or marked as NFE. For that reason I assume that my flagging was incorrect. I would like to know why, not for cases of abuse of the flagging system, but just for anything that the scratch team does not find inappropriate that I do

How would you know if a project got marked as NFE? No one knows that, only the ST does. I do think that getting a notification to see if a project got flagged as NFE would be good, but not getting any notification after flagging a project doesn't mean bad flagging. 

i can tell when a project has been marked as NFE because it was on the front page yesterday and isn't today, and yet it is less than 10 or 4 days old.

cheddargirl wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

But you got a message saying that remixing was okay, which means that your error was flagging remixes. Is that not enough? 

I dont think we're on the same page. It did not clearly state that a remix is only a copy when absolutely nothing has been changed. I thought that they were copies since the project notes remained unchanged and there were only minor graphics edits, such as changing blue to pink. It would have been nice to hear "this counts as a remix because blue has been changed to pink, therefore it is appropriate for Scratch and is not a copy of your game" rather than just a message telling me something I already know

Well, alright, but it's strange that you were already fully aware that something has changed in the project yet it's flagged as a copy. 

i was unaware of the full definition of "remix" at the time. i thought remixes had to be substantially changed rather than just one or two things. thankfully this was explained to me but only after I emailed the Scratch Team.