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16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

Why does Apple have a 4g iPod Touch? Isn't that the whole point of an iPhone?


Why exactly do people hate iTunes? Is it because it's made by Apple? It is a place to buy and play music. It isn't something that you have to use. The only times I have needed to use iTunes was to transfer videos onto my iPad, and I had an overall good experience.

The iPod Touch is cheaper than the Nexus 7.

You can use an Apple product without being a fanboy, you know.
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Personally I think that 7" is really small for a tablet. I've never been a fan of the idea of using a touchscreen on a smartphone (especially to type - *shudders*) or even a small tablet. A small tablet is too small to be a comfortable tablet (in my opinion) but too big to put in your pocket. The iPad screen size is just right IMO.

4G as in 4th Generation 

And yea, iTunes is awesome. I have a hard time finding a decent music player for my Fire with custom Jelly Bean on it. Obviously I can't use Google Music because I don't live in the US.

I've also found that typing is slightly better on the iTouch than on the Fire, because unlike the iPad where you can almost touch type, the Fire is a very akward size. You can't type with your thumbs like on an iTouch, and you can't touch type like on an iPad. You're stuck with find and peck and hope my finger doesn't misses 

That brings me to another problem I have with small Android tabets: their screen ratios are weird. They're too tall and not wide enough. I prefer the aspect ratio of the iPad just like I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio of Macs over the 16:9 ratio of most Windows computers.

Yea, with smaller screens, a 4:3 or 16:10 ratio really counts. In fact, let me just find something I read a few weeks ago...

An iPad Mini with a 7.85" screen with a ratio same as the iPad, would have a lot more screen space than a 7" screen with 16:9/16:10 ratio such as the Fire or Nexus 7.

Many people seem to think that the non-standard HD resolutions of the iPad and iPod/iPhone are really stupid, but obviously Apple has thought of everything.

Last edited by jji7skyline (2012-08-04 20:45:36)

Exactly. The smaller the screens are, the more disadvantageous 'widescreen' displays are.

fire219 wrote:

It's been said before, I'll say it again: it depends on what you want. I wouldn't go for the Nexus 7 though, it is fairly buggy from what I have heard. There are much better android tablets out there. I would go for the ASUS Transformer Prime. It has a proven track record, though it is alot more expensive at retail.

I would also would not go after the iPad Mini people are talking about here. If it is anything like the regular iPads, it will be ridiculously expensive for the features it offers.

@skittles and jj: Have either of you EVER used iTunes on Windows? It may be good on Macs, but it is very bloated, slow, and crashy on Windows.

The regular iPad is amazing and isn't particularly expensive. Also, yes I have used iTunes on Windows. Nobody is forcing you to buy your music through iTunes, and I fail to understand why anyone would download apps through iTunes on a computer when you can just use the App Store on the iDevice. If you are trying to buy music and stuff on Windows (I have never used iTunes on a Mac), it really doesn't seem that bad. I have had to wait a bit for "Accessing iTunes Store", but that's it. You can buy your music (cheaper!) on Google Play or Amazon Cloud Player and then simply transfer the music to the iDevice extremely easily.  Just import the music into the library and sync it to the iPad. Or, you could just download it on the store on the iDevice, which is really a good experience.

fire219 wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

fire219 wrote:

It's been said before, I'll say it again: it depends on what you want. I wouldn't go for the Nexus 7 though, it is fairly buggy from what I have heard. There are much better android tablets out there. I would go for the ASUS Transformer Prime. It has a proven track record, though it is alot more expensive at retail.

I would also would not go after the iPad Mini people are talking about here. If it is anything like the regular iPads, it will be ridiculously expensive for the features it offers.

@skittles and jj: Have either of you EVER used iTunes on Windows? It may be good on Macs, but it is very bloated, slow, and crashy on Windows.

The regular iPad is amazing and isn't particularly expensive. Also, yes I have used iTunes on Windows. Nobody is forcing you to buy your music through iTunes, and I fail to understand why anyone would download apps through iTunes on a computer when you can just use the App Store on the iDevice. If you are trying to buy music and stuff on Windows (I have never used iTunes on a Mac), it really doesn't seem that bad. I have had to wait a bit for "Accessing iTunes Store", but that's it. You can buy your music (cheaper!) on Google Play or Amazon Cloud Player and then simply transfer the music to the iDevice extremely easily.  Just import the music into the library and sync it to the iPad. Or, you could just download it on the store on the iDevice, which is really a good experience.

The iPad is just an oversized iTouch/iPhone. A larger screen is not worth $100-200 above the price of the equivalent iTouch/iPhone.

And why people hate iTunes is because of the reasons I already said, and the fact that Apple tries to force you to use it instead of other programs like MediaMonkey. I was talking to jj mostly anyway, he said that iTunes is awesome, which is definately is not on Windows.

The iPad is absolutely worth the extra, for the following reasons:
Larger screen and higher resolution for movies
Can run iPad AND iPhone apps
Better keyboard
Can actually be used for some light work

To name a few. The iPad is far superior to a netbook for its uses too. It has instant on, is thinner, has a touchscreen, has no sound, stays cool.
The only downside is the lack of a full OS, which can be fixed with a remote desktop app.

fire219 wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

fire219 wrote:

The iPad is just an oversized iTouch/iPhone. A larger screen is not worth $100-200 above the price of the equivalent iTouch/iPhone.

And why people hate iTunes is because of the reasons I already said, and the fact that Apple tries to force you to use it instead of other programs like MediaMonkey. I was talking to jj mostly anyway, he said that iTunes is awesome, which is definately is not on Windows.

The iPad is absolutely worth the extra, for the following reasons:
Larger screen and higher resolution for movies
Can run iPad AND iPhone apps
Better keyboard
Can actually be used for some light work

To name a few. The iPad is far superior to a netbook for its uses too. It has instant on, is thinner, has a touchscreen, has no sound, stays cool.
The only downside is the lack of a full OS, which can be fixed with a remote desktop app.

3 of your 4 reasons the iPad is worth extra is just because of the bigger screen. The other (#3) is invalid because it is obvious it can run iPad apps, and it can run iPhone ones because it is just an oversized iPhone.

A netbook is much cheaper , and has an even better keyboard (a REAL one, not an on-screen one). It can also run alot more programs because Windows/DOS has been around for about 6 times as long as iOS. I say that means netbooks win any day.

Netbook:
$300
+Full featured OS
+keyboard
-small trackpad
-weak Atom processors and low RAM
-Sub-par screen resolution

iPad:
$500
+Retina Display
+Siri (soon)
+Touch screen
-Limited OS
-No keyboard

Remember, the Netbook is running Windows 7 starter, and the iPad is running iOS 5. Plus the screen is awesome, and the iPad is the epicle of awesomeness. Not so with the netbook which is plastic, heavy, clunky and even the keyboard isn't very nice. (although better than a touch one).

BACK ON TOPIC!

The Nexus has compatibility issues as well, like any other Android.

16Skittles wrote:

I don't understand why things are locked on Android, isn't the whole point that it is open source?

Like what things?

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Also, in my opinion, tablets are just a fad to pander to some expectations. We've been seeing these magical drawing pad like things since Star Trek so of course someone is going to make it. However, right now, only a desktop can really handle everything you want if your going to be gaming. And laptops are general use with some ability to run games. I think it will be a while before we can get a tablet with enough power to run hardcore games, and even then it would be unpopular because of your hands having to block the screen. I think PC gaming might stall at high powered laptops in the future.

Last edited by soupoftomato (2012-08-05 22:58:14)

16Skittles wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

I don't understand why things are locked on Android, isn't the whole point that it is open source?

Like what things?

Well clearly there are restrictions, otherwise what would the point be of rooting an Android?

But do you actually know the restrictions?

I have one but I haven't rooted it.

So a list or similar would be nice.

soupoftomato wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

I don't understand why things are locked on Android, isn't the whole point that it is open source?

Like what things?

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Also, in my opinion, tablets are just a fad to pander to some expectations. We've been seeing these magical drawing pad like things since Star Trek so of course someone is going to make it. However, right now, only a desktop can really handle everything you want if your going to be gaming. And laptops are general use with some ability to run games. I think it will be a while before we can get a tablet with enough power to run hardcore games, and even then it would be unpopular because of your hands having to block the screen. I think PC gaming might stall at high powered laptops in the future.

The magical drawing pad things were made before tablets (or at least the actual good tablets). It's called a Cintiq and they are super cool and expensive, and also five years older than the iPad.

16skittles wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

16skittles wrote:

Well clearly there are restrictions, otherwise what would the point be of rooting an Android?

But do you actually know the restrictions?

I have one but I haven't rooted it.

So a list or similar would be nice.

Why should I root my android smartphone?

Redmond wrote:

File Expert which lets you access and edit /system on your memory I assume this is something they restrict to keep people from poking around and breaking something on accident
SetCPU which lets you speed up or slow down your chip for more performance/battery life I know I have basic settings like "Power Saver" but yeah this sounds useful
Network Spoofer / WiFi Kill to “troll” people on wireless networks Because every phone should come equipped to annoy people
ProxyDroid to connect to Wi-Fi networks which have proxy settings, Nice but it's understandable why it's not included
Market Enabler to access Google Play in other countries (for specific apps) Yeah, that's good but the reason for it not being available may be important? Is it possible the author wouldn't get paid?
ROM Manager to manage custom ROMs Good
Chainfire3D to run NVIDIA Tegra games on other, unsupported phones It sounds like some phones can run them and this would be nice for others, but the wording seems strange.

I root my tablet to install ROMs and run apps that require root.

iTouch

May I suggest a... Sony Experia Play?