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BLU_Spy wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

elfin8er wrote:

So what do you guys think about extracting audio from official (or non official), music videos? I do this often with youtube-mp3.org

My main issue with that is that the sound is terrible. The only way to get anything decent sounding with YouTube is to download the HD MP4 video, transcode it to FLAC with VLC, made edits in Audacity, and then encode as a 320kbps CBR or V0 VBR MP3. I mean, seriously.

Uh... youtube-mp3 has an awesome quality.

youtube-mp3.org uses 128kbps mp3. That might be acceptable for some people, but I generally cannot listen to mp3s of that low quality 

SeptimusHeap wrote:

SeptimusHeap wrote:

Should I try to convince my friend to stop pirating? He's downloaded several Adobe products, games, and even 'pirated' windows (He got a serial key online or something). I mean, what if he gets caught?

Definitely try, but if it doesn't work, the right thing to do may be to turn him in.

P.S. I like your sig!

veggieman001 wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

My main issue with that is that the sound is terrible. The only way to get anything decent sounding with YouTube is to download the HD MP4 video, transcode it to FLAC with VLC, made edits in Audacity, and then encode as a 320kbps CBR or V0 VBR MP3. I mean, seriously.

Uh... youtube-mp3 has an awesome quality.

youtube-mp3.org uses 128kbps mp3. That might be acceptable for some people, but I generally cannot listen to mp3s of that low quality 

Oh well, to me that‘s a great quality. 

Anyway...


Here are my thoughts: getting money with piracy is bad. But if you just want to put your favorite songs on your iPod, for example, it‘s okay.

Last edited by BLU_Spy (2012-07-31 13:53:18)

I basically support it if you can't afford to buy it, and wouldn't have bought it anyway.

Wow. I just remembered I have three torrents downloading now. Shh. Don't tell anyone.

BLU_Spy wrote:

I highly doubt this could happen in real life.

But maybe in the Fake Life?

BLU_Spy wrote:

ErnieParke wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

Oh well, to me that‘s a great quality. 

Anyway...


Here are my thoughts: getting money with piracy is bad. But if you just want to put your favorite songs on your iPod, for example, it‘s okay.

But what about the music composers?

Let's say that a composer called Frank made a song called Dance. Dance becomes an instant hit, but only 1 person buys it. Why?

At the price of $1 when a can of sprite is 50 cents, a person called Joe buys the song, being the first customer. Then he puts the song on youtube for everyone to copy, which does happen. While this is happening, Frank is losing money because nobody wants to buy his song! People all around Frank are listening to Dance on their iPods and mp3 players, but Frank can't even afford one. People just copy his song from youtube and Frank now has to live in a cardboard box.

People didn't make money through this entire story, except for Frank and his $1.
People only saved money.

This is what's happening when you pirate a song, except not on as large of a scale.

I highly doubt this could happen in real life.

I know that this is very unlikely, but this still is happening in small scale. A more realistic example is that a person pirates a $1 dollar song, a $5 computer game, and a $4 movie that happened to be on sale at the time. Or multiple people could pirate the same song. The idea of buying something is that your not allowed to have an object (except through temporary borrowing from a friend) unless you trade for it with money or some item. In both of the situations above, someone or some people pirated an item(s) and now, the music composer, movie creator and programmer don't get the money that should have been theirs, but had been denied. Is that right?

16Skittles wrote:

ErnieParke wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

Oh well, to me that‘s a great quality. 

Anyway...


Here are my thoughts: getting money with piracy is bad. But if you just want to put your favorite songs on your iPod, for example, it‘s okay.

But what about the music composers?

Let's say that a composer called Frank made a song called Dance. Dance becomes an instant hit, but only 1 person buys it. Why?

At the price of $1 when a can of sprite is 50 cents, a person called Joe buys the song, being the first customer. Then he puts the song on youtube for everyone to copy, which does happen. While this is happening, Frank is losing money because nobody wants to buy his song! People all around Frank are listening to Dance on their iPods and mp3 players, but Frank can't even afford one. People just copy his song from youtube and Frank now has to live in a cardboard box.

People didn't make money through this entire story, except for Frank and his $1.
People only saved money.

This is what's happening when you pirate a song, except not on as large of a scale.

False. Frank gets 25 cents and the record company takes the rest. Then the record company sues Joe and gets the money back. Then they put all of that money into anti-piracy campaigns.
This has actually just happened, you know. I have honestly considered pirating music and then finding a way to pay the artists directly instead of giving Apple (iTunes) or some other company for the artist's work. 

Haha. Not a bad idea.

BLU_Spy wrote:

ErnieParke wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

I highly doubt this could happen in real life.

I know that this is very unlikely, but this still is happening in small scale. A more realistic example is that a person pirates a $1 dollar song, a $5 computer game, and a $4 movie that happened to be on sale at the time. Or multiple people could pirate the same song. The idea of buying something is that your not allowed to have an object (except through temporary borrowing from a friend) unless you trade for it with money or some item. In both of the situations above, someone or some people pirated an item(s) and now, the music composer, movie creator and programmer don't get the money that should have been theirs, but had been denied. Is that right?

Well, they get less money with piracy (which is way different from losing money), but on the other hand, there are a LOT of people who still buy the original (most likely games).


Also let‘s take another example:

A city called “X“ has a population of 200,000. Let‘s say that a singer called “Mark“ released a new CD at the price of $5. Every person got one, but 60% got it as a pirated copy. The other 40% actually bought the CD. Applying some math, 40% of 200,000 equals 80,000. Each one spent $5, totalizing $400,000. That‘s a good money. Although Mark could get more, it‘s still profit.


See what I‘m talking about?

Yes, BUT what if those 40% were trying out Marks music. 20% decided they liked it, and decided to buy his other albums. Let's say mark has 6 Albums. Now, I'm not that good at math, but that means that Mark just made an extra 1,200,000. Now obviously the full 40,000 people aren't going to buy all of his albums, but let's say on average, each person then goes and buys an Album from him. That's still 200,000 dollars that he wouldn't have gotten if those people wouldn't have pirated to begin with.

SeptimusHeap wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

SeptimusHeap wrote:

Definitely try, but if it doesn't work, the right thing to do may be to turn him in.

P.S. I like your sig!

Why would I turn him in!?!?!

Like I said, it's the right thing to do. It's of course your decision, but pirating is against the law, something we're trying to stop. Let him keep doing it, and that's one more that got away, and the problem stays longer.

elfin8er wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

ErnieParke wrote:

I know that this is very unlikely, but this still is happening in small scale. A more realistic example is that a person pirates a $1 dollar song, a $5 computer game, and a $4 movie that happened to be on sale at the time. Or multiple people could pirate the same song. The idea of buying something is that your not allowed to have an object (except through temporary borrowing from a friend) unless you trade for it with money or some item. In both of the situations above, someone or some people pirated an item(s) and now, the music composer, movie creator and programmer don't get the money that should have been theirs, but had been denied. Is that right?

Well, they get less money with piracy (which is way different from losing money), but on the other hand, there are a LOT of people who still buy the original (most likely games).


Also let‘s take another example:

A city called “X“ has a population of 200,000. Let‘s say that a singer called “Mark“ released a new CD at the price of $5. Every person got one, but 60% got it as a pirated copy. The other 40% actually bought the CD. Applying some math, 40% of 200,000 equals 80,000. Each one spent $5, totalizing $400,000. That‘s a good money. Although Mark could get more, it‘s still profit.


See what I‘m talking about?

Yes, BUT what if those 40% were trying out Marks music. 20% decided they liked it, and decided to buy his other albums. Let's say Mark has 6 Albums. Now, I'm not that good at math, but that means that Mark just made an extra 1,200,000. Now obviously the full 40,000 people aren't going to buy all of his albums, but let's say on average, each person then goes and buys an Album from him. That's still 200,000 dollars that he wouldn't have gotten if those people wouldn't have pirated to begin with.

Taking the albums into account, atleast $600,000 would have been pirated, and that is if the 2nd to 6th albums were less popular than the 1st. Let's say Mark used 10% of his money on taking care of his very hungry family for a couple of months. Then, 20% goes into advertising. 30% goes into the making of the CD's. 20% goes into employees, and 20% is taken away in various taxes. That leaves him absolutely no money to be able to buy or rent a $600,000 skyscraper which would have been the headquarters for his music empire.

Last edited by ErnieParke (2012-07-31 15:47:47)

SeptimusHeap wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

SeptimusHeap wrote:

Definitely try, but if it doesn't work, the right thing to do may be to turn him in.

P.S. I like your sig!

Why would I turn him in!?!?!

Because who needs friends? Pssst. Who's heard of moral dillemias? Darn spelling fail.
Anyways, yeah you can try and convince him to stop pirating so much I guess.

sonicfan12p wrote:

Certainly a dillema, but still. If they get mad for you doing the right thing, then fine. They have no right to be mad, they were breaking the law, but if you keep quiet and don't try and get him to stop, you are breaking the law by affiliation. Your choice.

Uh they absolutely have a right to be mad, would you be mad if someone you thought was a friend tried to put you in jail?