Hello fellow Scratchers. Greece used to be my favorite ancient civilization, now it is Egypt. I am intrigued by ancient Egypt and decided to write a fictional novel set in New Kingdom or Middle Kingdom Egypt. I don't officially have an idea for a story, so I read some of the Egyptian mythology, hoping I could take an idea from those myths. I found a legend about the Book of Thoth. It is about a magician/scribe named Setna who wants to find the Book of Thoth. I decided to make the story about an evil magician who wants to Book of Thoth to gain all the knowledge in the universe. I think this is too unorginal. Scratchers, could you please offer some story plots that are not used as often? By the way, I want an idea that revolves around a whole saga.
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That sounds okay, but you can't have evil because it's evil. You gotta have shades of grey; the heroes aren't perfect, the villain has some sort of backstory.
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jukyter wrote:
That sounds okay, but you can't have evil because it's evil. You gotta have shades of grey; the heroes aren't perfect, the villain has some sort of backstory.
Yeah, I am developing that. The magician dude is named Renihura, Ancient Egyptian for evil. His goal is to have all the knowledge of the universe, but he is actually a good person inside, just a big dreamer.
The hero is Sefakil, which I combined sefu "sword" and akila "intelligent" and swapped them around because I think Sefakil sounds better than Akilasefu. His flaw is that he has a bad temper and is vengeful.
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Garr8 wrote:
jukyter wrote:
That sounds okay, but you can't have evil because it's evil. You gotta have shades of grey; the heroes aren't perfect, the villain has some sort of backstory.
Yeah, I am developing that. The magician dude is named Renihura, Ancient Egyptian for evil. His goal is to have all the knowledge of the universe, but he is actually a good person inside, just a big dreamer.
The hero is Sefakil, which I combined sefu "sword" and akila "intelligent" and swapped them around because I think Sefakil sounds better than Akilasefu. His flaw is that he has a bad temper and is vengeful.
Having thought out name meanings does not create a character if depth. Yes it can be interesting to the people that realize what you have done, but that's all.
Also, flaws do not make a shade of grey. They make the character a little bit less perfect, but not a morally ambiguous person.
(And personally, I dislike historical fiction, but this won't affect anything for your purposes)
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Garr8 wrote:
jukyter wrote:
That sounds okay, but you can't have evil because it's evil. You gotta have shades of grey; the heroes aren't perfect, the villain has some sort of backstory.
Yeah, I am developing that. The magician dude is named Renihura, Ancient Egyptian for evil. His goal is to have all the knowledge of the universe, but he is actually a good person inside, just a big dreamer.
I think naming the antagonist after the ancient Egyptian term for evil might be obvious, you might want to change the name to something more neutral to bring less suspicion. [Speaking of which, are you sure about the origin of "Renihura"? I think you might be looking for "Runihura", which means "Destroyer"].
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cheddargirl wrote:
Garr8 wrote:
jukyter wrote:
That sounds okay, but you can't have evil because it's evil. You gotta have shades of grey; the heroes aren't perfect, the villain has some sort of backstory.
Yeah, I am developing that. The magician dude is named Renihura, Ancient Egyptian for evil. His goal is to have all the knowledge of the universe, but he is actually a good person inside, just a big dreamer.
I think naming the antagonist after the ancient Egyptian term for evil might be obvious, you might want to change the name to something more neutral to bring less suspicion. [Speaking of which, are you about the origin of "Renihura"? I think you might be looking for "Runihura", which means "Destroyer"].
Ah yes, it means destroyer. I could not remember so I assumed it stood for evil. Your are right though, I should change his name.
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What about a story about a gang that lives in the backstreets of Memphis or Alexandria and they steal an important item and they are trying to sell it, but one of their members are captured, so they rescue him and get on a boat to try and cross the Mediterranean, pursued by the whole Egyptian Navy as well as a rival gang and I guess you could either choose to make them all die, and the item lost, or they manage to get away and live in luxury for the rest of their lives or something.
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He should have a reason for wanting to obtain the knowledge. We know he's a big dreamer, but why does he want to know everything? Control, self-worth, power, etc? I'd like to know a lot more about the world but it doesn't necessarily make me evil
The antagonist needs a driving purpose or two

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Well, he is sick of humanity since humans tend to be destructive, so he wants the Book of Thoth to become a god and destroy humanity and create a race that cannot sin. He wants to bring word peace in a genocidal way.
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Garr8 wrote:
Well, he is sick of humanity since humans tend to be destructive, so he wants the Book of Thoth to become a god and destroy humanity and create a race that cannot sin. He wants to bring word peace in a genocidal way.
I HATE HOW DESTRUCTIVE THEY ARE
SO I'LL DESTROY EVERYTHING
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Garr8 wrote:
I thought of a priest releasing the god Set, but I could not come up with a logical reason because why would somebody release a diabolical deity?
For the lulz?
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Rick Riordan used Setna and The Book of Thoth in one of his books.
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mythbusteranimator wrote:
Rick Riordan used Setna and The Book of Thoth in one of his books.
Rick Riordan can't write.IMO
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soupoftomato wrote:
mythbusteranimator wrote:
Rick Riordan used Setna and The Book of Thoth in one of his books.
Rick Riordan can't write.IMO
Really? I think is books are pretty good.
I learned more about the myths from him than I ever known before.
Now I know why people in hieroglyphs always face sideways. That is because they believed a non- living figure had both sides of its, body, it would become human and try to take over its creator. To prevent this, they believed you had to draw them sideways instead of them looking at you.
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Garr8 wrote:
soupoftomato wrote:
mythbusteranimator wrote:
Rick Riordan used Setna and The Book of Thoth in one of his books.
Rick Riordan can't write.IMO
Really? I think is books are pretty good.
I learned more about the myths from him than I ever known before.
Now I know why people in hieroglyphs always face sideways. That is because they believed a non- living figure had both sides of its, body, it would become human and try to take over its creator. To prevent this, they believed you had to draw them sideways instead of them looking at you.
No, hieroglyphics are writing. There were no people in hieroglyphics. He regurgitates common myths and feeds them to the ignorant myth wise. So he's pretty bad. IMO
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jukyter wrote:
Garr8 wrote:
soupoftomato wrote:
Rick Riordan can't write.IMOReally? I think is books are pretty good.
I learned more about the myths from him than I ever known before.
Now I know why people in hieroglyphs always face sideways. That is because they believed a non- living figure had both sides of its, body, it would become human and try to take over its creator. To prevent this, they believed you had to draw them sideways instead of them looking at you.No, hieroglyphics are writing. There were no people in hieroglyphics. He regurgitates common myths and feeds them to the ignorant myth wise. So he's pretty bad. IMO
Well, you know what I mean. Those wall decorations that portray pharaohs and gods.
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Garr8 wrote:
jukyter wrote:
Garr8 wrote:
Really? I think is books are pretty good.
I learned more about the myths from him than I ever known before.
Now I know why people in hieroglyphs always face sideways. That is because they believed a non- living figure had both sides of its, body, it would become human and try to take over its creator. To prevent this, they believed you had to draw them sideways instead of them looking at you.No, hieroglyphics are writing. There were no people in hieroglyphics. He regurgitates common myths and feeds them to the ignorant myth wise. So he's pretty bad. IMO
Well, you know what I mean. Those wall decorations that portray pharaohs and gods.
His knowledge of myths and legends (which is apparently inaccurate in itself!) does not correlate to his skills at writing. He's using the biggest of storyline cliches for most of his character (one had freaking amnesia!) and even reuses the same plot device every story . . . and he didn't even come up with the plot device.
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Good story ideas are ones you get yourself, not from other people.

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soupoftomato wrote:
Garr8 wrote:
jukyter wrote:
No, hieroglyphics are writing. There were no people in hieroglyphics. He regurgitates common myths and feeds them to the ignorant myth wise. So he's pretty bad. IMOWell, you know what I mean. Those wall decorations that portray pharaohs and gods.
His knowledge of myths and legends (which is apparently inaccurate in itself!) does not correlate to his skills at writing. He's using the biggest of storyline cliches for most of his character (one had freaking amnesia!) and even reuses the same plot device every story . . . and he didn't even come up with the plot device.
Oh yeah, his knowledge of myths and legends... if you're going to rip something off, do it well. Or do it tangently. I'm waiting for the Throne of Glass to come out which, while technically a Cinderella retelling, seems its own story.
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DarkerWorld wrote:
Good story ideas are ones you get yourself, not from other people.
Actually, I disagree.
Yes, it is terrible if you go, say, the Eragon route and rewrite Star Wars but in a Medieval setting. However, every story has some basis in classic works. If you write Sci-Fi, Fantasy, etc. there is a grounding in another idea somewhere.
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My dad once told me that there are only twelve stories. He probably did not mean that literally, but his point was that there are only so many plot devices and everything else is a retelling of that plot.
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Garr8 wrote:
My dad once told me that there are only twelve stories. He probably did not mean that literally, but his point was that there are only so many plot devices and everything else is a retelling of that plot.
There are definitely more plot devices than that, but I'm pretty sure that's an old saying.
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Eragon's plot was based on Star Wars. And Star Wars' plot was based on Flash Gordon and some old Samurai movie that came out a long time ago.
Flash Gordon was a man battle an evil emperor who looked Chinese. The emperor had a planet that could travel through space and destroy other planets.
The Samurai Movie (I forgot its title) was about samurai warriors batttling eachother trying to rescue a princess, And Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope is about Luke and Han rescueing Leia. R2- D2 and C3PO were based on two characters from the samurai movie. They were both soldiers who did not want to be in the military. The shorter one made the best of it while the taller one was a goofball.
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