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Wow, Necro came on! That's a good sign, though he still hasn't replied to my comment. He still has time, though (it's still the 11th here in the US).

Meanwhile, it'd be great to have you on the team, samid! Especially since you're a Beatles fan like us, you could make very Beatles-y single/album covers. Maybe I could get an example image from you, for example, maybe your take on a single cover for "Here Comes the Sun"?

I think I already came up with a back cover for our album, though (assuming we'll actually need one XD). I was experimenting around with it, and I came up with a pretty good one. (There's an apple in the background and the track listing in the front.) I also experimented with a front cover, and it has a somewhat psychedelic background, and I was considering adding the text in once we come up with a name for our first album, but I think it'll look pretty plain anyway.

I'm also very pleased to hear that jji will give John's vocals in the Abbey Road Medley a shot. 

technoguyx wrote:

All4one wrote:

(assuming we'll actually need one XD).

While we may not strictly need one, giving the single an unique cover can sure attract listeners    That's the whole point of cover art.

Yes, but I meant we probably won't need a back cover art for our first album. xD

All4one wrote:

technoguyx wrote:

All4one wrote:

(assuming we'll actually need one XD).

While we may not strictly need one, giving the single an unique cover can sure attract listeners    That's the whole point of cover art.

Yes, but I meant we probably won't need a back cover art for our first album. xD

Oh, back cover.    No we won't need that.

I could help maybe! I'm a pretty good music collector The Beatles are in my collection! 

Yea, I'm about 14 and I'm male as well, so yea 

Sun King is going to be pretty much impossible for me to do decently because my voice doesn't go as high as that 

Maybe we could have a stand in female singer or something?

DIY wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Yea, I'm about 14 and I'm male as well, so yea 

Sun King is going to be pretty much impossible for me to do decently because my voice doesn't go as high as that 

Maybe we could have a stand in female singer or something?

I'm nearly 16 now, lol. 

A female singing John's vocals? O.o C'mon, I'm sure someone in the band can have a go. Even I may be able to, though I usually sing low and mid.

All4one, you open up a topic right away for drummers then, so we don't waste more time. I am eager to get to mixing the whole song completely soon.

@chasethestickman: Yeah, my CD rack, iPod and Dad's LP cabinet are complete with practically all their installments, so yeah. Unless you can drum, I don't think we have anything in particular that any of us is looking for other than that.

It seems that we have a unusually high amount of people applying today (two  ).

And you're right, we shouldn't waste any more time - I'll open a drummer topic in the Requests forums this instant. 

EDIT - All right, I've set up the topic.

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jji7skyline wrote:

I'll have a go at sun king, but it may not sound like the original...

Also, for the Abbey Road medley rhythm guitar, I just strum chords and play a few riffs right? Or dooes the lead guitar play the riffs? I've practised both.

The lead guitar plays all the riffs, but in most segments, both parts are played by one person alternating between rhythm and lead. That's why I set about to recording solo once you announced you wouldn't be part of the crew for the medley. It's going to be a lot tougher to combine two people to playing separately as the tones of the guitars could be seriously contrasting. If you have the right tones to match the original, go ahead and upload a demo of only the rhythm parts. If your guitar tone doesn't compliment mine, I guess we'll have to go in for one person playing it. Don't worry though, I am familiar with the entire thing, so if there's a problem, I can handle that. I just need to work out the right tones on my electric for the different segments.

jji7skyline wrote:

DIY wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

I'll have a go at sun king, but it may not sound like the original...

Also, for the Abbey Road medley rhythm guitar, I just strum chords and play a few riffs right? Or dooes the lead guitar play the riffs? I've practised both.

The lead guitar plays all the riffs, but in most segments, both parts are played by one person alternating between rhythm and lead. That's why I set about to recording solo once you announced you wouldn't be part of the crew for the medley. It's going to be a lot tougher to combine two people to playing separately as the tones of the guitars could be seriously contrasting. If you have the right tones to match the original, go ahead and upload a demo of only the rhythm parts. If your guitar tone doesn't compliment mine, I guess we'll have to go in for one person playing it. Don't worry though, I am familiar with the entire thing, so if there's a problem, I can handle that. I just need to work out the right tones on my electric for the different segments.

I'm thinking, since I have a classical guitar, I can play in the background much quietly, behind the riffs you play, because in the actual thing you very rarely hear the rhythm guitar. That way, I think the music will sound much fuller.

It may, but the only acoustic segment IIRC is in Polythene Pam. What we want to do is replicate the sound of The Beatles, and that means being faithful to the original instumentation. I know what you mean; it may sound fuller, but if we can make our version sound reminiscent to the original, why can't we sound like them? 

Since you only have a classical unfortunately, I will have to tackle all the rest of the electric segments it seems (there's no other way of getting the exact tones on acoustic, even on GarageBand or other sound editors). For now, play the Polythene Pam segment (very easy to imitate), and let's hope that goes well.

jji7skyline wrote:

DIY wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

I'm thinking, since I have a classical guitar, I can play in the background much quietly, behind the riffs you play, because in the actual thing you very rarely hear the rhythm guitar. That way, I think the music will sound much fuller.

It may, but the only acoustic segment IIRC is in Polythene Pam. What we want to do is replicate the sound of The Beatles, and that means being faithful to the original instumentation. I know what you mean; it may sound fuller, but if we can make our version sound reminiscent to the original, why can't we sound like them? 

Since you only have a classical unfortunately, I will have to tackle all the rest of the electric segments it seems (there's no other way of getting the exact tones on acoustic, even on GarageBand or other sound editors). For now, play the Polythene Pam segment (very easy to imitate), and let's hope that goes well.

Wait, I only have to play rhythm for Polythene Pam? I've practised all of them 

I don't think that replicating the sound is as important as letting our own sound come through.

All4one did mention that "Beatles tribute bands are musical groups that intend to recreating the history of The Beatles by performing accurate covers of their songs", and I would totally agree with this view. Take the Fab Faux (a Beatles tribute band in real life) for example; their renditions of the songs are almost like the originals, performing stunning covers of a number of songs including the Abbey Road Medley live. If they can do it live (with a only tiny orchestral segment playing in the background), we should be able to perform several overdubs in order to replicate the original sound, making the task that much easier for us.

I too familiarised myself with the entire medley long before this band started, but it would take a lot of time for me to record the entire thing. Unfortunately, you do not have an electric, which forces me into this dilemma.

You most certainly have a point, but I think tribute bands should remain faithful to the originals, like All4one pointed out. It sounds best the way they played it, and if it's The Beatles, there's hardly a better arrangement for any song. 

jji7skyline wrote:

If I play rhythm, what kind of guitar I have won't matter.

And I think having a fresh sound is still a better idea than trying to replicate the sound entirely. The former requires more creativity.

The sound of an acoustic is distinctly different to that of an electric. It does matter what kind of guitar you have. An acoustic cannot have the tone changes of a guitar, even if plugged to a mixer with tone change knobs simply because its mechanism functions differently. An acoustic relies on its box to produce and amplify sound and has either nylon or steel strings. Electric guitars use a magnetism loop to produce and amplify sound, and has a dedicated set of strings for itself. The two are intended to produce completely different sounds. In the medley, all the rhythm guitar segments except in Polythene Pam, are played on an electric. This can be distinctly heard by the tone. In many segments, the lead and rhythm parts are played by one person, and the same lead tone is used for rhythm.

I also do not see what is so un-fresh about The Beatles' recording. I have not heard any variant of the medley performed by some other band that even comes close to the original which in fact, still sounds fresh today. The Beatles are a class apart, and if we plan to deviate from the original versions of their songs, there is no way we can even come close (Strawberry Fields Forever is perhaps the only exception for me). True, we can try being creative, but then the whole point of a tribute band is lost. We won't be producing 'accurate covers' like All4one has mentioned in the first post. Also, All4one specifically mentioned that he's looking for people with British accents or who sound like The Beatles. Again, that shows what this tribute band is all about.

I do not wish to sound harsh, but I hope you understand what I mean. If you think you still can get the right tones through a mixer, go ahead, but I cannot guarantee you that it will be included in the final mix. Believe me, I'd love to share the heavy work load (I have so much recording to do for Frozen Coco as well, keep in mind) with someone else for the medley, but quite to my dismay, you only have a classical guitar. Anyhow, there is no hurry at all since we haven't got started at all on the medley, so during this three-month summer break of mine, I won't be too pressured to record.

jji7skyline wrote:

I know we'll never get a recording that's better than the Beatles original (many people have tried and failed) but I still don't think that replicating their sound is the goal. We are a tribute band, yes, but we should still create something fresh, that is, something nobody has heard yet.

It's a classical, not an acoustic, that is, it doesn't have a sound output. I have to use a microphone. All amplification is done naturally by the wood, and is picked up by the microphone. Like I said, the idea isn't to copy the Beatles, it's not recreate the Beatles. We might as well listen to the originals if we're going to try and copy them exactly.

Kinda offtopic, but I think this illustrates it well. Android will never become better than iOS if all it does is copy it. To become better than iOS, Android must recreate, inovate, and reimagine. That's what it's about.

I guess it's up to All4one, but that's just my opinion.

I'm confused - you mentioned "I know we'll never get a recording that's better than the Beatles original" and then said "Android will never become better than iOS if all it does is copy it. To become better than iOS, Android must recreate, inovate, and reimagine". Those two are very contradictory, because you said our version won't be better than the original in the first place. 

Also, you don't seem to be aware that a classical guitar is an acoustic instrument. Any instrument with a hollow resonant cavity and a soundboard to amplify the sound produced is called an acoustic. You are again contradicting yourself when you say that your guitar's a classical, and not an acoustic.    A classical is one with nylon strings. Similarly, there are acoustics with steel strings, referred to as steel guitars. Acoustic therefore has no electric sound output either whatsoever.

I have mentioned this so many times before, but I will repeat: A tribute band 'intends to recreate the history of a band by performing accurate covers of their songs'. The first post says it all; the title of this thread says it all. This is a tribute band. We might as well have excluded that bit if we weren't intending on performing accurate covers at all. I ask you, why aren't we adapting Here Comes the Sun into our own version if we want to sound different?

You're right when you say our version will never beat the original, because The Beatles' work is hardly ever surpassed, but the original's the best we've got. If nothing beats it, somewhat replicating the original will produce a great finished result (and it won't sound 100% like the original, so there). If our version is anyway not going to be better, I seriously doubt, whether or not the arrangement is fresh, that people are going to listen to our work over The Beatles' original.    Seeing the medley is connected and disconnected in places, it is also going to be a huge gamble to improvise our own work; the different segments just may not work out well together. You have no idea how much I hate to mix tracks that have no consistent flow to them.

There are certain songs where acoustic guitar (or classical if you like...  ) would sound nice. Strawberry Fields Forever is such a song, though the final version didn't feature this. If we ever cover that song, I'll certainly be up for acoustic guitar since there exist several demos where acoustic sounds beautiful on it, and an official release in the LOVE album features this. The medley sounds mediocre on any acoustic instrument (I've heard some covers that simply sound horrendous); we'd kill the entire sequence if we were to record on an acoustic.

I'm basically citing the whole concept All4one wrote down and intended to have when creating this forum topic. We are a tribute band, so why should we be anything other than a tribute band? I hope you see my point, but we'll wait for All4one to confirm this.

jji7skyline wrote:

DIY wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

I know we'll never get a recording that's better than the Beatles original (many people have tried and failed) but I still don't think that replicating their sound is the goal. We are a tribute band, yes, but we should still create something fresh, that is, something nobody has heard yet.

It's a classical, not an acoustic, that is, it doesn't have a sound output. I have to use a microphone. All amplification is done naturally by the wood, and is picked up by the microphone. Like I said, the idea isn't to copy the Beatles, it's not recreate the Beatles. We might as well listen to the originals if we're going to try and copy them exactly.

Kinda offtopic, but I think this illustrates it well. Android will never become better than iOS if all it does is copy it. To become better than iOS, Android must recreate, inovate, and reimagine. That's what it's about.

I guess it's up to All4one, but that's just my opinion.

I'm confused - you mentioned "I know we'll never get a recording that's better than the Beatles original" and then said "Android will never become better than iOS if all it does is copy it. To become better than iOS, Android must recreate, inovate, and reimagine". Those two are very contradictory, because you said our version won't be better than the original in the first place. 

Also, you don't seem to be aware that a classical guitar is an acoustic instrument. Any instrument with a hollow resonant cavity and a soundboard to amplify the sound produced is called an acoustic. You are again contradicting yourself when you say that your guitar's a classical, and not an acoustic.    A classical is one with nylon strings. Similarly, there are acoustics with steel strings, referred to as steel guitars. Acoustic therefore has no electric sound output either whatsoever.

I have mentioned this so many times before, but I will repeat: A tribute band 'intends to recreate the history of a band by performing accurate covers of their songs'. The first post says it all; the title of this thread says it all. This is a tribute band. We might as well have excluded that bit if we weren't intending on performing accurate covers at all. I ask you, why aren't we adapting Here Comes the Sun into our own version if we want to sound different?

You're right when you say our version will never beat the original, because The Beatles' work is hardly ever surpassed, but the original's the best we've got. If nothing beats it, somewhat replicating the original will produce a great finished result (and it won't sound 100% like the original, so there). If our version is anyway not going to be better, I seriously doubt, whether or not the arrangement is fresh, that people are going to listen to our work over The Beatles' original.    Seeing the medley is connected and disconnected in places, it is also going to be a huge gamble to improvise our own work; the different segments just may not work out well together. You have no idea how much I hate to mix tracks that have no consistent flow to them.

There are certain songs where acoustic guitar (or classical if you like...  ) would sound nice. Strawberry Fields Forever is such a song, though the final version didn't feature this. If we ever cover that song, I'll certainly be up for acoustic guitar since there exist several demos where acoustic sounds beautiful on it, and an official release in the LOVE album features this. The medley sounds mediocre on any acoustic instrument (I've heard some covers that simply sound horrendous); we'd kill the entire sequence if we were to record on an acoustic.

I'm basically citing the whole concept All4one wrote down and intended to have when creating this forum topic. We are a tribute band, so why should we be anything other than a tribute band? I hope you see my point, but we'll wait for All4one to confirm this.

We won't record a better song than the Beatles, just like Android will never beat iOS, but we can be like Windows 7 Phone and create something new.

It's an acoustic guitar, in that it's not electric, but a classical is a special type of acoustic, definitely different from the Folk guitar which is more commonly referred to as acoustic.

Actually the guitar track I recorded for Here comes the sun is slightly different to the original (don't tell me to re-record it  ) in that it adds more bass as well as fill-ins to replace the strumming. Listening to the Fab Faux, they also adapt the songs quite a bit to their band, and their strengths.

If you think acoustic won't sound good in this medley, I guess you are entitled to your opinion, I just wanted to clear this up for future recordings.

There's always room for imagination, even in a tribute band. Again, All4one has the final say I guess.

The Fab Faux do not attempt to adapt the music into their own versions. They are the most accurate and faithful Beatles tribute band there is. 

You said it's a classical and not an acoustic; that is wrong. Of course a classical guitar is an acoustic guitar. It has a box, clearly. And acoustic and electric guitars are polar opposites...

And again, about the Android and iOS, you did say 'to become better' with direct reference to us and The Beatles, contradicting your previous point of no one coming close to them. There was nothing about the Windows 7 Phone... Sorry, but I needed to raise those errors as I could not make out what you were trying to say in the previous post.

Obviously you didn't play those fills in Here Comes the Sun because they are two different guitars; George Harrison played one that chugged the rhythm and one which played the lead notes. Since you have taken up the latter, I have set about recording the former, so yeah. We can give room for creative imagination in the way we get the orchestral arrangements done, etc., but the other instruments must be kept faithful to the original in my opinion.

Thanks for respecting my opinion. Again, this is widely considered a tribute band's role, so I don't see why we must deviate from All4one's original intentions. All4one can voice his say about this and clarify all doubt you may have.

jji7skyline wrote:

DIY wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

We won't record a better song than the Beatles, just like Android will never beat iOS, but we can be like Windows 7 Phone and create something new.

It's an acoustic guitar, in that it's not electric, but a classical is a special type of acoustic, definitely different from the Folk guitar which is more commonly referred to as acoustic.

Actually the guitar track I recorded for Here comes the sun is slightly different to the original (don't tell me to re-record it  ) in that it adds more bass as well as fill-ins to replace the strumming. Listening to the Fab Faux, they also adapt the songs quite a bit to their band, and their strengths.

If you think acoustic won't sound good in this medley, I guess you are entitled to your opinion, I just wanted to clear this up for future recordings.

There's always room for imagination, even in a tribute band. Again, All4one has the final say I guess.

The Fab Faux do not attempt to adapt the music into their own versions. They are the most accurate and faithful Beatles tribute band there is. 

You said it's a classical and not an acoustic; that is wrong. Of course a classical guitar is an acoustic guitar. It has a box, clearly. And acoustic and electric guitars are polar opposites...

And again, about the Android and iOS, you did say 'to become better' with direct reference to us and The Beatles, contradicting your previous point of no one coming close to them. There was nothing about the Windows 7 Phone... Sorry, but I needed to raise those errors as I could not make out what you were trying to say in the previous post.

Obviously you didn't play those fills in Here Comes the Sun because they are two different guitars; George Harrison played one that chugged the rhythm and one which played the lead notes. Since you have taken up the latter, I have set about recording the former, so yeah. We can give room for creative imagination in the way we get the orchestral arrangements done, etc., but the other instruments must be kept faithful to the original in my opinion.

Thanks for respecting my opinion. Again, this is widely considered a tribute band's role, so I don't see why we must deviate from All4one's original intentions. All4one can voice his say about this and clarify all doubt you may have.

A classical guitar is also more rounded than a folk guitar, the folk guitar is more commonly referred to as an acoustic, the classical guitar is rarely called an acoustic, despite being non-electric, and therefore acoustic in that perspective.

I guess being better than them is an inaccurate way to say it. We'll never be as successful or as popular as them, because they are the originals but we can make a fresh perspective in our music, like The Beatles were always experimenting in their music.

What I mean is, the 7 phone is interesting but not as successful as the original iOS, bit at least it isn't a bland copy like android. To take this into cars, there are always those niche cars that not everyone can own, but they're still fun to look at as a poster on your wall.

With the Fab faux, they add fills and stuff, though very few, to their walrus cover for example. Also, they switch singers quite a lot where one singer would have done.:-)

She came in through the bathroom window also seems to have a acoustic rhythm guitar part, leading on from polythene Pam. Do you want me to do that as well?

Look, acoustic simply means that the instrument's produced sound is amplified through the soundboard. Fullstop. The whole folk guitar being more commonly referred to as an acoustic is a lousy misconception to me. Never before have I heard of any such thing.

I'm not sure I understand your real-life comparisons, as they don't seem to justify coherently what you said. Also, I Am The Walrus contains so many complex orchestral over-dubs and out-of-this-world effects. The Fab Faux as a policy whenever possible, like to perform everything live, and it is nearly impossible to recreate these sounds unless a full orchestral EFX crew is consulted, even today.

Polythene Pam does indeed have an acoustic segment which I planned to record (it didn't occur to me at the time that it was an acoustic segment). Go ahead and record that then.