Scratch

Shadowed1 wrote:

I can't go 2 seconds without seeing another completely useless project. I mean, most projects that are on the front page at the moment are minecraft videos, colouring competitions (hint: you click the fill button) and rushed, sloppy projects.

Scratch is supposed to be about making GAMES and PUTTING HARD WORK INTO THEM so they get appreciated. So few people now are making quality games (in comparison to the number of people that are making utterly useless projects) that I feel seriously demotivated about working on another project.

Scratch's motto is "imagine, program, share". If you're planning on making a half-decent project, you have to IMAGINE the idea and put at least a few scripts in it i.e. PROGRAMMING. To imagine something it has to be ORIGINAL. I swear, there are at least 50,000 projects that are colouring in competitions.

Actually, the projects on the front page at the moment are slightly better compared to what I usually see, but nonetheless still filled with useless junk. But seriously, if you are going to post a project, at least put a reasonable amount of time into it and be different from the norm.

To fix this, curators have to choose projects that are QUALITY projects, not some half-baked project from some random out there. If you get front paged, you should have to WORK FOR IT.

Also, if you are posting a project to be featured: 1. Check that that project is not made by yourself and 2. Check that the project is WORTH FEATURING. And if you are the moderator featuring the project, check the project before you feature it.

On a side note: GET RID OF THE TOP REMIXED LINE ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS AND NOT BEING USED FOR THE INTENTION IT WAS BEING USED FOR I.E. PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE.

In conclusion, Scratch is now a horrible mess. I can't believe that the 1% of people who post constructive and fun projects are being overridden by the 99% of people who don't have the patience to work on the project before they share it. I'm not saying that everyone is lazy but if you are too lazy to care about the projects you post, then you should either start using Scratch for the purpose it was intended for or you should quit the site. Not kidding.

~Shadowed1

scratch isnt necessarily for games you know
anyway, as for the rest, its the communitys fault not the scratch teams
most of the people on here are the young children and beginning programmers this site was designed for, you cant expect too much out of them
its not like this site is full of professionals making games, movies, and other stuff for a living

I both agree and disagree. While it is a good thing for new scratchers the amount of work and effort that goes into them is really limited. I find it annoying how people get fame and on the front page for art and my 1s1s maze is forgotten.

I think you should quit being mean to people who havent had TIME to figure out scratch! i havent figured it out! 

I'm mixed on this, while the volume of pointless colouring competitions and annoying song projects is truly detestable, there's very little you can do, unless you're going to go around insulting people on their projects. I propose that there be a section for animations, colouring competitions, games etc. Or a section for new scratchers projects.

Shadowed1 wrote:

I can't go 2 seconds without seeing another completely useless project. I mean, most projects that are on the front page at the moment are minecraft videos, colouring competitions (hint: you click the fill button) and rushed, sloppy projects.

Scratch is supposed to be about making GAMES and PUTTING HARD WORK INTO THEM so they get appreciated. So few people now are making quality games (in comparison to the number of people that are making utterly useless projects) that I feel seriously demotivated about working on another project.

Scratch's motto is "imagine, program, share". If you're planning on making a half-decent project, you have to IMAGINE the idea and put at least a few scripts in it i.e. PROGRAMMING. To imagine something it has to be ORIGINAL. I swear, there are at least 50,000 projects that are colouring in competitions.

Actually, the projects on the front page at the moment are slightly better compared to what I usually see, but nonetheless still filled with useless junk. But seriously, if you are going to post a project, at least put a reasonable amount of time into it and be different from the norm.

To fix this, curators have to choose projects that are QUALITY projects, not some half-baked project from some random out there. If you get front paged, you should have to WORK FOR IT.

Also, if you are posting a project to be featured: 1. Check that that project is not made by yourself and 2. Check that the project is WORTH FEATURING. And if you are the moderator featuring the project, check the project before you feature it.

On a side note: GET RID OF THE TOP REMIXED LINE ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS AND NOT BEING USED FOR THE INTENTION IT WAS BEING USED FOR I.E. PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE.

In conclusion, Scratch is now a horrible mess. I can't believe that the 1% of people who post constructive and fun projects are being overridden by the 99% of people who don't have the patience to work on the project before they share it. I'm not saying that everyone is lazy but if you are too lazy to care about the projects you post, then you should either start using Scratch for the purpose it was intended for or you should quit the site. Not kidding.

~Shadowed1

Ok, I see where you're coming from, but really if you're so bothered go learn some different programming. Unity 3D and Lua are very good engines which have massive potential, and using Blender to make game models is a good idea. Just remember, Scratch is a very simple programming engine (seriously, my game was over 2mb and it lagged like hell, I had to remove some key stuff).

cheddargirl wrote:

Leo_the_Lion wrote:

Now, not that I support Shadowed1's point, but I think you're all putting words in his mouth. Shadowed1 said nothing about new scratchers and how their first projects are usually garbage. In fact, he never insinuated that the people he was talking about were new scratchers. Of course, I strongly disagree with the idea that "Scratch is for making games and putting effort into them," and yet, I understand what he's talking about. I'm not the best scratcher myself, nor am I the worst, but I agree that Scratch is seeing many many MANY users who's projects consist of coloring projects and just... pictures. Not plural, actually. A picture. I have nothing against artists, but... when I go to check out someone's projects, I'm looking for something a little different from... pictures of warrior cats. Nothing against warrior cats, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that series is amazing. I'm not suggesting that there are TOO MANY warrior cat drawings on scratch, or that these artists should quit scratching. No, I don't think that in the least. But my points in this post are:

1: For the love of Scratch, stop putting words in his mouth.
2: Try moving projects, maybe animation is your thing, if games aren't.
3: No hate on warrior cats.
4: New scratchers DO deserve the right to have rubbish projects, but Shadow never said anything about that so FOR THE LOVE OF SCRATCH STOP PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH!

Sorry, got carried away there.

Shadowed1 also tried to put words into the mouth of the Scratch Team by giving a false interpretation of Scratch goals. 

It is very hard to explain Scratch's goals without including New Scratchers because Scratch is, after all, aimed at people new to programming, whose programming may not be at par at first. So once someone starts attacking what they feel is a "rubbish project", then it also is more or less also an attack on those new to programming, even if "New Scratchers" is not included in the actual text body of the attack or even if the one performing the attack was not aiming at them at all. It kind of reminds me of when people start to attack users using generalizations - even if the attack is made only on one person, using generalizations makes that attack include those who fit into the generalization even if that was not the original intent.

As for the picture projects, to quote Paddle:

Please do not confuse the goals of the project:  Scratch is not "supposed to be about making games and putting hard work into them".  Scratch is for letting people express their creativity on the computer with all kinds of projects:  Art projects, stories, coloring contests, simulations, math projects, games, pet pictures, etc.  Scratch is a big place and hosts a large variety of different interests.  I suggest you find Scratchers with similar interests and have fun with them and worry less about what the front page is showing.

That being said, if you're disappointed when finding a project that is just a picture, then just continue to move on and try to find something else. No need to complain when you find a project that you do not like, all types of projects are accepted here. 

Exactly. My first project didn't do ANYTHING!

I agree with shadowed1, mostly at least. I wish there would be some way to go through the scratch website without running into thousands of poor quality projects in the way, that way beginners can still mess around with their projects, but have good quality projects on the first page when you search something... Although I have no idea how to do that.

Oh, and also if scratch is supposed to be a way of letting our 'creativity flow', then I think that most peoples creativity is sorta ugly. :\

funelephant wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

Leo_the_Lion wrote:

Now, not that I support Shadowed1's point, but I think you're all putting words in his mouth. Shadowed1 said nothing about new scratchers and how their first projects are usually garbage. In fact, he never insinuated that the people he was talking about were new scratchers. Of course, I strongly disagree with the idea that "Scratch is for making games and putting effort into them," and yet, I understand what he's talking about. I'm not the best scratcher myself, nor am I the worst, but I agree that Scratch is seeing many many MANY users who's projects consist of coloring projects and just... pictures. Not plural, actually. A picture. I have nothing against artists, but... when I go to check out someone's projects, I'm looking for something a little different from... pictures of warrior cats. Nothing against warrior cats, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that series is amazing. I'm not suggesting that there are TOO MANY warrior cat drawings on scratch, or that these artists should quit scratching. No, I don't think that in the least. But my points in this post are:

1: For the love of Scratch, stop putting words in his mouth.
2: Try moving projects, maybe animation is your thing, if games aren't.
3: No hate on warrior cats.
4: New scratchers DO deserve the right to have rubbish projects, but Shadow never said anything about that so FOR THE LOVE OF SCRATCH STOP PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH!

Sorry, got carried away there.

Shadowed1 also tried to put words into the mouth of the Scratch Team by giving a false interpretation of Scratch goals. 

It is very hard to explain Scratch's goals without including New Scratchers because Scratch is, after all, aimed at people new to programming, whose programming may not be at par at first. So once someone starts attacking what they feel is a "rubbish project", then it also is more or less also an attack on those new to programming, even if "New Scratchers" is not included in the actual text body of the attack or even if the one performing the attack was not aiming at them at all. It kind of reminds me of when people start to attack users using generalizations - even if the attack is made only on one person, using generalizations makes that attack include those who fit into the generalization even if that was not the original intent.

As for the picture projects, to quote Paddle:

Please do not confuse the goals of the project:  Scratch is not "supposed to be about making games and putting hard work into them".  Scratch is for letting people express their creativity on the computer with all kinds of projects:  Art projects, stories, coloring contests, simulations, math projects, games, pet pictures, etc.  Scratch is a big place and hosts a large variety of different interests.  I suggest you find Scratchers with similar interests and have fun with them and worry less about what the front page is showing.

That being said, if you're disappointed when finding a project that is just a picture, then just continue to move on and try to find something else. No need to complain when you find a project that you do not like, all types of projects are accepted here. 

Exactly. My first project didn't do ANYTHING!

About my first 50 projects have 0 scripts.

funelephant wrote:

LEGOengineer261 wrote:

Oh, and also if scratch is supposed to be a way of letting our 'creativity flow', then I think that most peoples creativity is sorta ugly. :\

That was just rude.

Yes,like i'm a kid thats 4 years old. only got flooded by comments like:Boring and My projects are way better. I mean just mess around is it? Isn't it? I like almost every project. They give it a try. Come on.

I agree with this, scratch is completly clogged up with pointless projects. If you're going to make a game, make it good or don't share it online.

soniku3 wrote:

funelephant wrote:

LEGOengineer261 wrote:

Oh, and also if scratch is supposed to be a way of letting our 'creativity flow', then I think that most peoples creativity is sorta ugly. :\

That was just rude.

Yes,like i'm a kid thats 4 years old. only got flooded by comments like:Boring and My projects are way better. I mean just mess around is it? Isn't it? I like almost every project. They give it a try. Come on.

WarioX wrote:

I agree with this, scratch is completly clogged up with pointless projects. If you're going to make a game, make it good or don't share it online.

Scratch is used by beginners who are new to programing, there's a lot of projects out there that are uploading experiments or simply experiments with the Scratch blocks, not necessarily complete projects per se. If you don't like the project you see in front of you, then simply move on and search for something that you'll eventually like; if you're not a fan of the fact that Scratch is open to projects designed by people new to programming, well, the ST isn't going to change the ideals and goals behind the site just because a handful of Scratchers don't like what's being uploaded.