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fire219 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Most android tablets are badly made.

Only the cheap Chinese-brand ones. The better ones like the Transformer Prime and Kindle Fire are actually quite sturdy, and much better than iPads IMO (note the IMO, not trying to start a flame war).


Hmm..... it would be fun to make a tablet with a RPi.... I should try that when I get mine. 

I've tried numerous android tablets costing over 500. The best would be the Sony one. I own a kindle fire. iPad still wins.
You stole my idea 

jslomba wrote:

I don't understand what you can do on a tablet that you can't do on a smartphone

Anything that requires a larger screen, more battery life, more power?  Many, MANY things. Like Adobe Photoshop Touch, other art and music apps, etc.

stevetheipad wrote:

fire219 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Most android tablets are badly made.

Only the cheap Chinese-brand ones. The better ones like the Transformer Prime and Kindle Fire are actually quite sturdy, and much better than iPads IMO (note the IMO, not trying to start a flame war).


Hmm..... it would be fun to make a tablet with a RPi.... I should try that when I get mine. 

I'm not defending Android in any way, I think they are ugly and clunky devices. However, saying that generally Chinese made items or computers aren't as good of quality as non Chinese made items or computers is completely inaccurate and rude as I see it. 

China makes so many things that of course they have the most defective products, they make the most products hands down! Not to mention China makes the iPad.

I think he meant chinese companies.

stevetheipad wrote:

slinger wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

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Heyheyheyheyheyhey- take that back, I've been using a laptop and desktop ever since I was four or five (I'm current;y 14).
As far as I know the iPad can do everything the iPhone and iPod touch can do.
I realize that the iPad is good but um, seriously, as an example let's take word processing, I would probably laugh if there was a serious word processing app for the iPad, not because the iPad isn't good enough for that but because it's more of an entertainment system. Of course these are just my opinions.

Why would anyone buy an iPad as their only computer? That doesn't make sense...
edit: I just realized, I can't win this argument, you're an iPad D:

Yup, it can do everything the iPod Touch can do but it's not limited to that, it does more than that, it's almost a replacement for a laptop, but not quite, as it is it's own category.

I can tell you've never used an iPad, because you don't know about Apple's Pages application on the App Store for the iPad that's one of the App Store's top sellers. It's a really nice word processing app, that's sleek, easy to use and has high ceilings. The fact that you didn't know about Pages tells me you haven't investigated the iPad enough/given the iPad a try yet, which makes your opinion slightly less valid on this subject. 

In reply to "why would anyone buy an iPad as their only computer? That doesn't make sense...":
1. It's a very inexpensive computer
2. It's great for travel, and lots of people travel a lot
3. It's completely capable of being a lone computer and is really easy to sync using iCloud, download apps without the desktop iTunes program and do everything your laptop can do without the huge screen.

I have used an iPad but don't own one. Okay so my opinion is slightly less valid. But my main point is that you can't do everything you need to do on an iPad/anyOtherTablet.

1. Okay so it's in expensive but uh let's face it, it can't do everything.
2. So are laptops. Okay they are a bigger than the iPad...
3. Ah so you think I could write applications in Free Pascal on it? Oh wait, it doesn't support open source, well that basically cuts out a ton of good apps.

All in all the only time you would see me using it would be when I'm travelling because they can do the basics and are a lot smaller than regular laptops.

"cough"Windows"cough"Surface"cough"
All laptop vs tablet arguments are now invalad

stevetheipad wrote:

3. Better study some more, I program on my iPad (myself) all the time. 

Please expand on number three. I do (some) web development on my iPad  but that is about it. I am dreaming of creating a service somewhat similar to Github or SourceForge except not necessarily for open-source projects. Users could log in via an app (iOS, Android, and desktop) that would act like an IDE, except that instead of storing files on the computer, they would store in the cloud. Then, a user could send a compile request to the servers. This would compile the current project on the servers (in any language supported, that would be lots) and add the compiled version (and all of its resources) into a separate directory. This way, with nothing but a small file size app that can be run from USB at any computer lab or coffee shop, or on a mobile device with Apple's patented Anti-Creativity system enabled, you would have a full workstation.

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stevetheipad wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

3. Better study some more, I program on my iPad (myself) all the time. 

Please expand on number three. I do (some) web development on my iPad  but that is about it. I am dreaming of creating a service somewhat similar to Github or SourceForge except not necessarily for open-source projects. Users could log in via an app (iOS, Android, and desktop) that would act like an IDE, except that instead of storing files on the computer, they would store in the cloud. Then, a user could send a compile request to the servers. This would compile the current project on the servers (in any language supported, that would be lots) and add the compiled version (and all of its resources) into a separate directory. This way, with nothing but a small file size app that can be run from USB at any computer lab or coffee shop, or on a mobile device with Apple's patented Anti-Creativity system enabled, you would have a full workstation.

Apple's rules on open source and content creation development are very unclear. It's really easy to be really mad at Apple because they don't allow Scratch, I mean, isn't Scratch the center of the universe? However, when you take some time to investigate the rules and why they're set in place, it becomes more clear. The common misconception around here is that Apple doesn't allow any content creation and thinks lowly of it. This is a misconception. The guy who developed the Scratch app quite a few years ago got pretty mad when Scratch was removed from the App Store, which is understandable considering they did allow it in after "reviewing it" and they changed their mind. He emailed Steve Jobs and Steve personally had an email conversation with the guy. In the end Steve gave reason enough and it became more of a strict rule, but not because Steve thought lowly of Scratch or content creation at all, it was associated with Flash.

This being, there are many programming apps out there with syntax highlighters and all, Codea being one of the popular ones. Coda even let' you preview your site within the application while you make changes. Regarding the cloud based system you speak of, this would be fairly easy to develop, you could even integrate it with Google Drive or iCloud with the API.

*ARGH I HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND ERASED MY WALL OF TEXT*

I don't care personally about the Scratch app (for me now Scratch is just a community) but the reasons are not good. Scratch at the time was in no way related to Flash, and I still believe that the Flash Player should be accessible on the iPad. There are a few major arguments used against Flash.

1.) The Flash Player will drain battery life faster than without it.
Solution: Maybe allow browser plugins *cough* and then people would be able to use Push to Flash and only allow Flash to run when it is needed. FYI, Apple's own iAd service has been shown to drain battery life faster than on the full version without ads.

2.) Flash games are unplayable because of the lack of a physical keyboard and arrow keys. Here's some more news: games are not the only use of Flash. Web pages can be made out of it (although it is not the best practice) and YouTube and other video streaming services use it. The default YouTube app is abysmally slow on my home internet connection. The mobile version of youtube.com allows me to set pathetic quality which loads a ten-minute video in one minute. In Chrome I can scale the quality down partially and load the videos fine.

On the flash player, I can load standard-res videos without issues. I tried the app iSwifter, an app that allows you to mirror a web browser with Flash enabled. I was able to stream an entire screen of YouTube in that app faster than I can load just the video in the standard YouTube app.

3.) Apple can not ensure the quality of Flash games, and therefore does not want to "ruin the user experience." So you're telling me that no apps on the App Store crash or are non-functional?


Also, they are control freak over competition. Web browsers are forced to use Safari's rendering engine, so all that they can gain is a better UI. I want Firefox's personas feature. I want plugins. But for some reason Apple wants to restrict that. Probably they don't want people complaining about how you can't delete Safari.

There are some apps to do some coding, but if you can find an app that will let me work on my C++ or Java programs, please let me know.

werdna123 wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

*ARGH I HIT THE BACK BUTTON AND ERASED MY WALL OF TEXT*

But can't you just hit the forward button to get it all back?

No. :,(
(insert first world problems meme here)

stevetheipad wrote:

laptops have to be taken out, turned on and inspected. On top of that, the iPad weighs 1.33 pounds as opposed to an average of 4 pounds for even Netbooks!

...have I been doing something wrong?
Also, lifting weight builds character and muscle.

16Skittles wrote:

Apple's own iAd service has been shown to drain battery life faster than on the full version without ads.

It's mostly the location-based ones, which you can opt out of by visiting oo.apple.com on your Apple mobile device.

stevetheipad wrote:

...do everything your laptop can do without the huge screen.

The huge screen could be a good thing, like for the sight-impaired who don't want to have to scroll a bunch.

SpriteMaster wrote:

Never thought you guys were so engrossed in discussing tablets.

you dont spend much time on the forums do you

luiysia wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

laptops have to be taken out, turned on and inspected. On top of that, the iPad weighs 1.33 pounds as opposed to an average of 4 pounds for even Netbooks!

...have I been doing something wrong?
Also, lifting weight builds character and muscle.

16Skittles wrote:

Apple's own iAd service has been shown to drain battery life faster than on the full version without ads.

It's mostly the location-based ones, which you can opt out of by visiting oo.apple.com on your Apple mobile device.

stevetheipad wrote:

...do everything your laptop can do without the huge screen.

The huge screen could be a good thing, like for the sight-impaired who don't want to have to scroll a bunch.

1. It's only for the TSA (in the U.S.) and wheight lifting is not what it's about, especially when traveling, 

2. Yes, but all iAds take up battery life, it's just a fact.

3. The iPad is the ultimate device for all impaired and handicapped people, more so than any other tablet! Not only does the iPad have great accessibility options, it also supports a ton of external tools for is sort of thing. And those who can see but not well, can simply use voice over or magnification. 

soupoftomato wrote:

Well, tablets will never really be as good as an actual computer or laptop.

Physical keyboards!
ACTUAL gaming!
Choice of browsers!
Flash!
Scratch!
And so much more!

All for the price of 2-4 times more than a regular Tablet! 

Last edited by CheckItNow12 (2012-07-02 18:27:39)