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#251 2012-06-17 23:34:25

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Re: Mac Vs PC

soupoftomato wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:


Better tools? iLife, iWork, Safari, Mail, Calendar all sorts of things and well-built third-party apps as well.

Mac is fast, responsive and looks good as well  tongue

Calendar: No real replacement can be had due to the fact that it can sync over iCloud to iOS devices.

Google has a calendar feature and Google functions on a cloud with Android (open-source) based mobile devices.

Or, you can use the kind of calendar I use: my brain!
Or, what my mom uses: a calendar whiteboard.


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#252 2012-06-17 23:35:59

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Re: Mac Vs PC

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:


You mean this one, jj?

May I ask what "better tools" there are for Macs?

And to bring another point back, to the people who think the interface of the OS is everything:

The OS styling is only seen until you start an app, then the interface only involves the programming of the app. Also, consider Kde vs Lxde for Linux. Kde looks better, but Lxde has better preformance.

Better tools? iLife, iWork, Safari, Mail, Calendar all sorts of things and well-built third-party apps as well.

Mac is fast, responsive and looks good as well  tongue

Let's see... I will try to use open source software as much as possible to offer a replacement to each of those programs.

iLife:

GarageBand: LMMS is the only thing I can think of, this is a neat product I will admit.

iPhoto: The GIMP, PDN on Windows

iMovie: Wax 2.0, Windows Live Movie Maker

iDVD: I haven't ever used something like this, so I can't really tell.

iWeb: this seems like a program for n00bs. Replacement is a text editor, available on any OS.



iWork:

Microsoft Office, OpenOffice, LibreOffice.


Safari: Yuck, use FireFox or Chromium, both open source.

Mail: Thunderbird, once again open source. (You may be able to tell I think Mozilla is boss)

Calendar: No real replacement can be had due to the fact that it can sync over iCloud to iOS devices.


As far as well built apps go, there are tons of open source, cross platform apps that are some of the best in the business. Except maybe Adobe CS, those are great too :3

Yep, Garageband is awesome.

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I've never tried Wax, but believe me, Win Live Movie Maker is no replacement for iMovie, it's slow, buggy, makes low quality movies and is basically really basic. iMovie is the best when it comes to making home movies.

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

iWeb is a WYSIWYG website maker. Yes, it's for noobs but how much better can you get? Obviously, if you want a real website, you have to code it yourself, but iWeb is great.

iWork has great compatibility with iTunes and iPhoto for media. I've heard MS office 2011 for Mac is a great improvement, but the 2008 version I have is really bad  tongue  Libreoffice is pretty good, but sadly the not so good compatibility with doc, docx and other MS office files makes it not recommended for sharing documents with MS office users, like teachers.

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Mail and Thunderbird are very similar. Thunderbird does have add-ons so it's a close tie.

iCal/Calendar is awesome  tongue


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#253 2012-06-17 23:41:43

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jji7skyline wrote:

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I don't manage pictures, but my dad uses Picasa. He says it works great.

jji7skyline wrote:

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

I recommend Roxio.

Oh, and, don't use Microsoft Office for Mac. I recommend OpenOffice in that case.

jji7skyline wrote:

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Google made WebKit a lot better, though.

jji7skyline wrote:

iCal/Calendar is awesome

My mom tells me Google Calendar is great, but for stuff in the near future, she uses a big whiteboard.


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#254 2012-06-18 02:35:26

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jvvg wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I don't manage pictures, but my dad uses Picasa. He says it works great.

jji7skyline wrote:

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

I recommend Roxio.

Oh, and, don't use Microsoft Office for Mac. I recommend OpenOffice in that case.

jji7skyline wrote:

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Google made WebKit a lot better, though.

jji7skyline wrote:

iCal/Calendar is awesome

My mom tells me Google Calendar is great, but for stuff in the near future, she uses a big whiteboard.

I used to use Picasa as well. Now I just do everything manually and then use gimp to edit.

Never tried it. I use iBurn for Mac as well as iDVD.

OpenOffice, Libreoffice, both not so good for sending documents to teachers, since the formatting messes up in the conversion from ods to doc or docx.


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#255 2012-06-18 07:52:20

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jji7skyline wrote:

jvvg wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I don't manage pictures, but my dad uses Picasa. He says it works great.

jji7skyline wrote:

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

I recommend Roxio.

Oh, and, don't use Microsoft Office for Mac. I recommend OpenOffice in that case.

jji7skyline wrote:

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Google made WebKit a lot better, though.

jji7skyline wrote:

iCal/Calendar is awesome

My mom tells me Google Calendar is great, but for stuff in the near future, she uses a big whiteboard.

I used to use Picasa as well. Now I just do everything manually and then use gimp to edit.

Never tried it. I use iBurn for Mac as well as iDVD.

OpenOffice, Libreoffice, both not so good for sending documents to teachers, since the formatting messes up in the conversion from ods to doc or docx.

Lol yes, I had this problem once. I saved it as an OpenOffice document, but when it was necessary to print it off in a rush before I went to my class, it didn't open and I had to use an online .odf to .doc converter which I then got points off because it removed my paragraph formatting.


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#256 2012-06-18 12:47:33

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Re: Mac Vs PC

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

jvvg wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I don't manage pictures, but my dad uses Picasa. He says it works great.

jji7skyline wrote:

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

I recommend Roxio.

Oh, and, don't use Microsoft Office for Mac. I recommend OpenOffice in that case.

jji7skyline wrote:

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Google made WebKit a lot better, though.


My mom tells me Google Calendar is great, but for stuff in the near future, she uses a big whiteboard.

I used to use Picasa as well. Now I just do everything manually and then use gimp to edit.

Never tried it. I use iBurn for Mac as well as iDVD.

OpenOffice, Libreoffice, both not so good for sending documents to teachers, since the formatting messes up in the conversion from ods to doc or docx.

Lol yes, I had this problem once. I saved it as an OpenOffice document, but when it was necessary to print it off in a rush before I went to my class, it didn't open and I had to use an online .odf to .doc converter which I then got points off because it removed my paragraph formatting.

I just use Google Docs and submit like that.


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#257 2012-06-18 12:54:54

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:


Better tools? iLife, iWork, Safari, Mail, Calendar all sorts of things and well-built third-party apps as well.

Mac is fast, responsive and looks good as well  tongue

Let's see... I will try to use open source software as much as possible to offer a replacement to each of those programs.

iLife:

GarageBand: LMMS is the only thing I can think of, this is a neat product I will admit.

iPhoto: The GIMP, PDN on Windows

iMovie: Wax 2.0, Windows Live Movie Maker

iDVD: I haven't ever used something like this, so I can't really tell.

iWeb: this seems like a program for n00bs. Replacement is a text editor, available on any OS.



iWork:

Microsoft Office, OpenOffice, LibreOffice.


Safari: Yuck, use FireFox or Chromium, both open source.

Mail: Thunderbird, once again open source. (You may be able to tell I think Mozilla is boss)

Calendar: No real replacement can be had due to the fact that it can sync over iCloud to iOS devices.


As far as well built apps go, there are tons of open source, cross platform apps that are some of the best in the business. Except maybe Adobe CS, those are great too :3

Yep, Garageband is awesome.

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I've never tried Wax, but believe me, Win Live Movie Maker is no replacement for iMovie, it's slow, buggy, makes low quality movies and is basically really basic. iMovie is the best when it comes to making home movies.

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

iWeb is a WYSIWYG website maker. Yes, it's for noobs but how much better can you get? Obviously, if you want a real website, you have to code it yourself, but iWeb is great.

iWork has great compatibility with iTunes and iPhoto for media. I've heard MS office 2011 for Mac is a great improvement, but the 2008 version I have is really bad  tongue  Libreoffice is pretty good, but sadly the not so good compatibility with doc, docx and other MS office files makes it not recommended for sharing documents with MS office users, like teachers.

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Mail and Thunderbird are very similar. Thunderbird does have add-ons so it's a close tie.

iCal/Calendar is awesome  tongue

I like garageband, but there are too many synthesizers, not enough... normal drums and stuff.


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#258 2012-06-18 12:58:23

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Re: Mac Vs PC

BOBBYBOB3 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:


Let's see... I will try to use open source software as much as possible to offer a replacement to each of those programs.

iLife:

GarageBand: LMMS is the only thing I can think of, this is a neat product I will admit.

iPhoto: The GIMP, PDN on Windows

iMovie: Wax 2.0, Windows Live Movie Maker

iDVD: I haven't ever used something like this, so I can't really tell.

iWeb: this seems like a program for n00bs. Replacement is a text editor, available on any OS.



iWork:

Microsoft Office, OpenOffice, LibreOffice.


Safari: Yuck, use FireFox or Chromium, both open source.

Mail: Thunderbird, once again open source. (You may be able to tell I think Mozilla is boss)

Calendar: No real replacement can be had due to the fact that it can sync over iCloud to iOS devices.


As far as well built apps go, there are tons of open source, cross platform apps that are some of the best in the business. Except maybe Adobe CS, those are great too :3

Yep, Garageband is awesome.

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I've never tried Wax, but believe me, Win Live Movie Maker is no replacement for iMovie, it's slow, buggy, makes low quality movies and is basically really basic. iMovie is the best when it comes to making home movies.

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

iWeb is a WYSIWYG website maker. Yes, it's for noobs but how much better can you get? Obviously, if you want a real website, you have to code it yourself, but iWeb is great.

iWork has great compatibility with iTunes and iPhoto for media. I've heard MS office 2011 for Mac is a great improvement, but the 2008 version I have is really bad  tongue  Libreoffice is pretty good, but sadly the not so good compatibility with doc, docx and other MS office files makes it not recommended for sharing documents with MS office users, like teachers.

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Mail and Thunderbird are very similar. Thunderbird does have add-ons so it's a close tie.

iCal/Calendar is awesome  tongue

I like garageband, but there are too many synthesizers, not enough... normal drums and stuff.

I'm not a big music guy, but my friends say Audacity and Roxio are good.


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#259 2012-06-18 14:46:03

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Re: Mac Vs PC

BOBBYBOB3 wrote:

I like garageband, but there are too many synthesizers, not enough... normal drums and stuff.

... what is that supposed to mean

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#260 2012-06-18 15:23:27

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Re: Mac Vs PC

conbot wrote:

BOBBYBOB3 wrote:

I like garageband, but there are too many synthesizers, not enough... normal drums and stuff.

... what is that supposed to mean

What is confusing you? He is saying that he wants fewer synths (a type of instrument that generates sound based on the use of oscillators and artificially generated sound waves) and more actual recordings of instruments.


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#261 2012-06-18 16:38:36

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Re: Mac Vs PC

16Skittles wrote:

conbot wrote:

BOBBYBOB3 wrote:

I like garageband, but there are too many synthesizers, not enough... normal drums and stuff.

... what is that supposed to mean

What is confusing you? He is saying that he wants fewer synths (a type of instrument that generates sound based on the use of oscillators and artificially generated sound waves) and more actual recordings of instruments.

Garageband IS a synth. I would want MORE synths for my music.

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#262 2012-06-18 16:45:00

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Re: Mac Vs PC

conbot wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

conbot wrote:


... what is that supposed to mean

What is confusing you? He is saying that he wants fewer synths (a type of instrument that generates sound based on the use of oscillators and artificially generated sound waves) and more actual recordings of instruments.

Garageband IS a synth. I would want MORE synths for my music.

Well, other people have other wants. Is that so hard to understand?


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#263 2012-06-18 18:40:24

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jvvg wrote:

BOBBYBOB3 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:


Yep, Garageband is awesome.

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I've never tried Wax, but believe me, Win Live Movie Maker is no replacement for iMovie, it's slow, buggy, makes low quality movies and is basically really basic. iMovie is the best when it comes to making home movies.

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

iWeb is a WYSIWYG website maker. Yes, it's for noobs but how much better can you get? Obviously, if you want a real website, you have to code it yourself, but iWeb is great.

iWork has great compatibility with iTunes and iPhoto for media. I've heard MS office 2011 for Mac is a great improvement, but the 2008 version I have is really bad  tongue  Libreoffice is pretty good, but sadly the not so good compatibility with doc, docx and other MS office files makes it not recommended for sharing documents with MS office users, like teachers.

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Mail and Thunderbird are very similar. Thunderbird does have add-ons so it's a close tie.

iCal/Calendar is awesome  tongue

I like garageband, but there are too many synthesizers, not enough... normal drums and stuff.

I'm not a big music guy, but my friends say Audacity and Roxio are good.

Audacity is completely different from garageband which is why i use them for different purposes.


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#264 2012-06-18 19:08:06

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jji7skyline wrote:

jvvg wrote:

BOBBYBOB3 wrote:


I like garageband, but there are too many synthesizers, not enough... normal drums and stuff.

I'm not a big music guy, but my friends say Audacity and Roxio are good.

Audacity is completely different from garageband which is why i use them for different purposes.

Aye, they're different. LMMS can replace GarageBand, though.


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#265 2012-06-18 20:23:46

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Re: Mac Vs PC

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

jvvg wrote:


I'm not a big music guy, but my friends say Audacity and Roxio are good.

Audacity is completely different from garageband which is why i use them for different purposes.

Aye, they're different. LMMS can replace GarageBand, though.

Uh... I'll take your word for it since there's no Mac version.


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#266 2012-06-18 23:28:36

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Microsoft's new Surface Pro tablet is so much win! i5 processor, full windows 8 on a 10 inch 1080p display. Not to mention its cover (Many apple fans will call it a  ripoff of the smart cover) is even smarter than Apples by integrating a keyboard and trackpad. Make that into a Win8/HackOSX dual boot and checkmate, apple.


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#267 2012-06-18 23:42:27

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samtwheels wrote:

I hate mac,  i feel so-so about linux, and I love windows.


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#268 2012-06-19 00:19:12

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wolvesstar97 wrote:

samtwheels wrote:

I hate mac,  i feel so-so about linux, and I love windows.

I think Mac is OK, Windows is pretty good, and Linux is awesome. However, Windows is much easier and more compatible so I use it.


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#269 2012-06-19 00:41:46

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:


Audacity is completely different from garageband which is why i use them for different purposes.

Aye, they're different. LMMS can replace GarageBand, though.

Uh... I'll take your word for it since there's no Mac version.

Just Wine it :L


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#270 2012-06-19 00:44:32

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16Skittles wrote:

Make that into a Win8/HackOSX dual boot and checkmate, apple.

Unfortunately, it is a violation of the EULA to do that.


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#271 2012-06-19 00:57:37

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Re: Mac Vs PC

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:


Aye, they're different. LMMS can replace GarageBand, though.

Uh... I'll take your word for it since there's no Mac version.

Just Wine it :L

I only wine for experiments. I never do it for every day use because of its instability. I'll try it though.

Windows Surface seems to be better built than the majority of android tablets and transformers on the market today. It's definitely a real competitor to the iPad, but I think your info about it being Intel i5 is not right, since there is currently no info on which processor it will use, except that there is an ARM version and a x86 version.

Of course, like all competitors to the iPad, it will ultimately depend on the price as well as the user experience. The cover/keyboard thing is definitely a smart cover rip off, although I must say it's pretty clever.

Ultimately, the better screen and usability of the iPad will win out  tongue


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#272 2012-06-19 01:02:22

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As I told one of my friends, as this debate goes on, it gets dumber and dumber.


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#273 2012-06-19 01:12:06

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Please elaborate.


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#274 2012-06-19 01:14:32

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Re: Mac Vs PC

In this debate, we're pretty much just slamming each other now.
It's essentially this:

Mac: this is why Windows is bad
PC: this is why you are wrong and Macs are bad
Mac: this is why you are wrong and Windows is bad
...and so on and so forth


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#275 2012-06-19 01:15:04

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Re: Mac Vs PC

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Better tools? iLife, iWork, Safari, Mail, Calendar all sorts of things and well-built third-party apps as well.

Mac is fast, responsive and looks good as well  tongue

Let's see... I will try to use open source software as much as possible to offer a replacement to each of those programs.

iLife:

GarageBand: LMMS is the only thing I can think of, this is a neat product I will admit.

iPhoto: The GIMP, PDN on Windows

iMovie: Wax 2.0, Windows Live Movie Maker

iDVD: I haven't ever used something like this, so I can't really tell.

iWeb: this seems like a program for n00bs. Replacement is a text editor, available on any OS.



iWork:

Microsoft Office, OpenOffice, LibreOffice.


Safari: Yuck, use FireFox or Chromium, both open source.

Mail: Thunderbird, once again open source. (You may be able to tell I think Mozilla is boss)

Calendar: No real replacement can be had due to the fact that it can sync over iCloud to iOS devices.


As far as well built apps go, there are tons of open source, cross platform apps that are some of the best in the business. Except maybe Adobe CS, those are great too :3

Yep, Garageband is awesome.

iPhoto is pretty good, and does a much better job of managing photos than Gimp which doesn't manage photos at all, you have to do it manually. Gimp definitely has better features which is why I use it.

I've never tried Wax, but believe me, Win Live Movie Maker is no replacement for iMovie, it's slow, buggy, makes low quality movies and is basically really basic. iMovie is the best when it comes to making home movies.

iDVD is pretty good as well, great themes you can use, all the features for making DVDs. I've heard Nero and Ashampoo, both paid Windows software is pretty good.

iWeb is a WYSIWYG website maker. Yes, it's for noobs but how much better can you get? Obviously, if you want a real website, you have to code it yourself, but iWeb is great.

iWork has great compatibility with iTunes and iPhoto for media. I've heard MS office 2011 for Mac is a great improvement, but the 2008 version I have is really bad  tongue  Libreoffice is pretty good, but sadly the not so good compatibility with doc, docx and other MS office files makes it not recommended for sharing documents with MS office users, like teachers.

Safari made Webkit. Chrome is Webkit. Firefox is slow. Get the picture? btw, chromium is open source, chrome isn't fully open source. I use chromium and safari both.

Mail and Thunderbird are very similar. Thunderbird does have add-ons so it's a close tie.

iCal/Calendar is awesome  tongue

I haven't tried the iMovie for a Mac but I do know the iOS app is kind of bad.

It costs five dollars and can only edit video and sound timing and add intros.

Last edited by hdarken (2012-06-22 00:22:40)


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