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Isn't there already a topic about this? I don't really see the need for 2.

I personally, have a PC. I like it better, but I've never really used a Mac to a great extent, I used it a couple times, liked what I already had better, and stuck with it.

16Skittles wrote:

The micro review!

let me just save some space here...

Wow that's my second rant post in two days. I'm out, and don't troll my spelling!

i can't disagree with this. well put.

Last edited by JudasR (2012-06-04 01:01:56)

16Skittles wrote:

The micro review!


Windows

Pros:
Most people are familiar with the layout, which, apart from the styles, has hardly changed since '95.

Many apps are created specifically on windows, as well as many game libraries. There is a much larger selection of games on windows than Mac.

Not part of a cult-like organization.

Does not make its own hardware. While this means that there are many products of inferior quality, there are others with amazingly high quality. (just check out the VAIO Z)

Cons:

Known for its errors. The BSOD, while rare, still occaisionally will surface. On a personal note, I have only experienced the BSOD on Vista or earlier; I have never blue screened on Windows 7.

Also known for the abundance of viruses. If you're not torrenting a bunch of files and have a good antivirus, you're safe. If you're not a complete moron you probably will be able to get by without AV software.


Mac

Pros:
Sexy. That's the word for it. Apple is all about making good looking products. Their current line is no different, except maybe the ugly Mac Mini, which is basically just the "hey, I just met you. And this is crazy. But I'm a Mac. So program on me. (for iOS)"

Well, that's about it. Apple products are sold based on their features like that. Thin, light, aluminum. That's awesome.

Cons:
Closed up. Apple's open source "based on unix" stuff is a bunch of garbage. As shown with
Flashback, a virus that infects based on a java vulnerability, Oracle released an update for PCs, but Apple, who releases their own version of the Java VM, left the security hole open for weeks.

Makes decisions to "enhance the user experience" that many users may find annoying. Now, before I go and say that Apple should have put Flash on the iPad I will say that it is true that Flash does use battery faster than normal. At the same time  it leaves out much of the web and Apples own iAd service has been shown to reduce the battery life in ad-supported lite versions versus the ad-free paid versions of apps.


My verdict:
I am typing this on my iPad and am not really in the mood to list everything, so I'll just sum it up in a tl;dr version.

Are you:

On the go? Get a MacBook Air or the 13" pro. You can install Windows on it, they look good, are portable, and have build quality that will last through travel.

A programmer? If on the go, refer to the first. Get a Mac Mini, and dual or tri-boot (OSX and Windows, OSX Windows and Ubuntu) and maybe use the money saved of buying a full Mac to buy a cheaper PC. Decent ones can be gotten in the 600 dollar range, combined with the mini are on par with the base 13" pro or the first usable (read: not crying for more RAM/SSD) air.

A gamer? unless you really need a laptop, dedicate all your budget into a good, custom, windows desktop. If you need something to take notes on the go then just grab a netbook for cheap, or if you have the money, an iPad.

Someone who only needs their computer to do basic tasks, ie checking emails, Facebook, etc.?
iPad. They are pretty cheap, functional, and not lame build quality like a netbook. As of right now, Apple pretty much dominates the tablet market by creating not-lame hardware that runs a tested OS. Android, on the other hand, has lame producers making 100 dollar tablets that are thick, flimsy, and barely even functional running a stripped-down version of Android that can't really use all of its features.


Wow that's my second rant post in two days. I'm out, and don't troll my spelling!

I like your verdict, although I don't agree with the part about Apple being closed up 

Let's put it this way, Apple's business practices are closed up, but a lot of their software isn't.

For example, I can't think of even one Microsoft program that is open-source. I can however, list a few Apple applications that are open-source.

I especially agree with you about Android tablets. Unless you buy an Android tablet that costs the same as, or more than an iPad, you're going to have a very bad experience. And there is no other tablet on the market today that has a retina display 

Veggie, didn't we have a topic for Operating system discussions/debates? I'm going to dig it up again 

I would say that Macs are better for music composition and graphics, wheras PC's are better at other things. I also think that comparing the two isn't really worth it because of the price difference. Comparing a cheap £300 computer to a £1000 macbook air is like saying well your biro pen is rubbish, my diamond-tipped fountain pen trumps it all! Macs are more expensive but I don't need a diamond-tipped £1000 pen when a £300 biro does the job and lets me put that money into something like university fees. If Macs were the same price as PC's, I would get one, but I think PC's work absolutely fine too, but are at least at a sensible budget.

sparks wrote:

I would say that Macs are better for music composition and graphics, wheras PC's are better at other things. I also think that comparing the two isn't really worth it because of the price difference. Comparing a cheap £300 computer to a £1000 macbook air is like saying well your biro pen is rubbish, my diamond-tipped fountain pen trumps it all! Macs are more expensive but I don't need a diamond-tipped £1000 pen when a £300 biro does the job and lets me put that money into something like university fees. If Macs were the same price as PC's, I would get one, but I think PC's work absolutely fine too, but are at least at a sensible budget.

That's exactly what I think. And I don't really like Macs    You can only open 1 window at a time of something. (I think, I've never really used one for more than 10 minutes.)

16Skittles wrote:

The micro review!


Windows

Pros:
Most people are familiar with the layout, which, apart from the styles, has hardly changed since '95.

Many apps are created specifically on windows, as well as many game libraries. There is a much larger selection of games on windows than Mac.

Not part of a cult-like organization.

Does not make its own hardware. While this means that there are many products of inferior quality, there are others with amazingly high quality. (just check out the VAIO Z)

Cons:

Known for its errors. The BSOD, while rare, still occaisionally will surface. On a personal note, I have only experienced the BSOD on Vista or earlier; I have never blue screened on Windows 7.

Also known for the abundance of viruses. If you're not torrenting a bunch of files and have a good antivirus, you're safe. If you're not a complete moron you probably will be able to get by without AV software.


Mac

Pros:
Sexy. That's the word for it. Apple is all about making good looking products. Their current line is no different, except maybe the ugly Mac Mini, which is basically just the "hey, I just met you. And this is crazy. But I'm a Mac. So program on me. (for iOS)"

Well, that's about it. Apple products are sold based on their features like that. Thin, light, aluminum. That's awesome.

Cons:
Closed up. Apple's open source "based on unix" stuff is a bunch of garbage. As shown with
Flashback, a virus that infects based on a java vulnerability, Oracle released an update for PCs, but Apple, who releases their own version of the Java VM, left the security hole open for weeks.

Makes decisions to "enhance the user experience" that many users may find annoying. Now, before I go and say that Apple should have put Flash on the iPad I will say that it is true that Flash does use battery faster than normal. At the same time  it leaves out much of the web and Apples own iAd service has been shown to reduce the battery life in ad-supported lite versions versus the ad-free paid versions of apps.


My verdict:
I am typing this on my iPad and am not really in the mood to list everything, so I'll just sum it up in a tl;dr version.

Are you:

On the go? Get a MacBook Air or the 13" pro. You can install Windows on it, they look good, are portable, and have build quality that will last through travel.

A programmer? If on the go, refer to the first. Get a Mac Mini, and dual or tri-boot (OSX and Windows, OSX Windows and Ubuntu) and maybe use the money saved of buying a full Mac to buy a cheaper PC. Decent ones can be gotten in the 600 dollar range, combined with the mini are on par with the base 13" pro or the first usable (read: not crying for more RAM/SSD) air.

A gamer? unless you really need a laptop, dedicate all your budget into a good, custom, windows desktop. If you need something to take notes on the go then just grab a netbook for cheap, or if you have the money, an iPad.

Someone who only needs their computer to do basic tasks, ie checking emails, Facebook, etc.?
iPad. They are pretty cheap, functional, and not lame build quality like a netbook. As of right now, Apple pretty much dominates the tablet market by creating not-lame hardware that runs a tested OS. Android, on the other hand, has lame producers making 100 dollar tablets that are thick, flimsy, and barely even functional running a stripped-down version of Android that can't really use all of its features.


Wow that's my second rant post in two days. I'm out, and don't troll my spelling!

I got the bsod 6 times on my windows 7 starter computer, then it crashed completely and woudnt turn back on. (btw im using an ipad righht now)

funelephant wrote:

sparks wrote:

I would say that Macs are better for music composition and graphics, wheras PC's are better at other things. I also think that comparing the two isn't really worth it because of the price difference. Comparing a cheap £300 computer to a £1000 macbook air is like saying well your biro pen is rubbish, my diamond-tipped fountain pen trumps it all! Macs are more expensive but I don't need a diamond-tipped £1000 pen when a £300 biro does the job and lets me put that money into something like university fees. If Macs were the same price as PC's, I would get one, but I think PC's work absolutely fine too, but are at least at a sensible budget.

That's exactly what I think. And I don't really like Macs    You can only open 1 window at a time of something. (I think, I've never really used one for more than 10 minutes.)

I'm using a Mac, and I have several windows open.

3DSfan12345 wrote:

funelephant wrote:

sparks wrote:

I would say that Macs are better for music composition and graphics, wheras PC's are better at other things. I also think that comparing the two isn't really worth it because of the price difference. Comparing a cheap £300 computer to a £1000 macbook air is like saying well your biro pen is rubbish, my diamond-tipped fountain pen trumps it all! Macs are more expensive but I don't need a diamond-tipped £1000 pen when a £300 biro does the job and lets me put that money into something like university fees. If Macs were the same price as PC's, I would get one, but I think PC's work absolutely fine too, but are at least at a sensible budget.

That's exactly what I think. And I don't really like Macs    You can only open 1 window at a time of something. (I think, I've never really used one for more than 10 minutes.)

I'm using a Mac, and I have several windows open.

Yeah, you can have multiple windows open...

The biggest problem I have had with Macs is that when a window loses focus, then I have to click random buttons trying to get the thing in the top that says "Finder" (isn't that like Windows Explorer but for Mac?) back to the program I am looking for. That may just be a problem with an old version of OSX though, as I never had that issue with iMacs that I used in Industrial Tech three years ago. I didn't really get a taste of the OS though because all we were using was Flash, Dreamweaver, and Safari.

muppetds wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

3DSfan12345 wrote:

I'm using a Mac, and I have several windows open.

Yeah, you can have multiple windows open...

The biggest problem I have had with Macs is that when a window loses focus, then I have to click random buttons trying to get the thing in the top that says "Finder" (isn't that like Windows Explorer but for Mac?) back to the program I am looking for. That may just be a problem with an old version of OSX though, as I never had that issue with iMacs that I used in Industrial Tech three years ago. I didn't really get a taste of the OS though because all we were using was Flash, Dreamweaver, and Safari.

in what way does it lose focus?

Like when I minimize or click outside, then I can't find it again.  Part of that was probably me being a 7 year old who was used to Windows, but I know that in recent versions of OSX all open programs are added to the dock.

sanddude wrote:

Can somebody please yell at my choice so I can defend it?

nah, I agree with your choice.    Sorry, it must have been posted while I wrote my review and I skipped over it 

muppetds wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

muppetds wrote:

in what way does it lose focus?

Like when I minimize or click outside, then I can't find it again.  Part of that was probably me being a 7 year old who was used to Windows, but I know that in recent versions of OSX all open programs are added to the dock.

ah
yea thats right it adds it to the right hand side of the dock

It might have just been me being a noob at the time.