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scratcher5000 wrote:

I like flash!!

I don't.  It wants me to update it every couple of days, it glitches too much, it crashes on a regular basis, I hate it, and I'm fed up with it!

You're against quite a lot of things.

trinary wrote:

You're against quite a lot of things.

only facebook, dot.tk, and flash.  If the definition of a lot = 3 things, then yes.  I'm against a lot of things.

ManaUser wrote:

I'm not a big fan of Flash, but I like JavaScript even less, and unfortunately when people say "HTML5", nine times out of ten they really mean JavaScript.

no, they usually mean HTML5's Canvas feature.

Pages take longer to open (typically 2 to 10 times or even more)
    The visitors must wait for the intro to complete
    A Plug-in must be installed and kept up-to-date
    Animations are impossible to ignore

Many visitors don't even have Flash

    Mobile Users (iPhones, PDA's, ...)
    WebTV users
    Members of Schools and Corporations, that block Flash in their Browsers

When users see Flash, they usually think

    the content is probably useless and glitzy
    it's likely to be an ad
    it's probably not worth waiting for it to download
    the webmaster doesn't give a hoot, that half of the visitors never get to see the content

A website that doesn't contain Flash shows its worthwhile content instantly without requiring a Plugin.
Flash sucks for disabled people

    Sites that can only be navigated with Flash require the visitor to have functioning eyes and hands
    People with limited sight cannot increase the text size to make it legible.
    If a site can only be navigated through Flash, people who can't see will not be able to find the Flash navigation menu
    If a site can only be navigated through Flash, people with motor disabilities may not be able to move a mouse to a Flash menu and click it
    Blind people use screen-readers to visit a site. A reader reads aloud the text on the page. Flash has no text, so the reader sees none of its content, and the blind visitor won't have access to that content.

Even though Flash 8 offers the function to make Flash accessible for disabled people, it still doesn't guarantee that every webmaster is going to update his Flash-content.

Flash will always be a problem for disabled web-users and it sure would be better, if every webmaster used Flash responsibly to make it easier for disabled users to use the web.
Flash sucks for Search Engines

    Search engines only see the source code of a Website and Flash has no text. Thus, Search Engines will not return results for a site whose content is embedded in Flash.
    Search engines only navigate through links defined in the source code, and Flash has no links of that type. So, search engines will not return results for a site whose inner pages can only be accessed through Flash.

Even though Google has a limited access to Flash within Websites, Flash-Objects themselves are code-wise not that well-structured like HTML-Documents.
This is a big issue, as Google can't find the context of Information stored in Flash within the HTML-Code.
Misused, Flash sucks for Browsers

If misused, Flash breaks our definition of using a Web-Browser.
Functions like going back and forth, copy and pasting and bookmarking won't work within Flash. This shows, that Flash is not only a problem for disabled users, but also in everyday use.

ilackoriginality wrote:

yeah I personally agree to that to a certain extent with the dessert metaphor. I actually remember when it kept persistently asking me to update it but i just declined it every time, there's no point anyway

I found it highly annoying, up until I switched to Ubuntu.  It doesnt give me notifications any more.

I personally havent tried it, because it costs money to program in flash which is also wrong. (I mean the IDE costs money)

Last edited by XenoK (2012-06-03 13:31:31)

XenoK wrote:

no, they usually mean HTML5's Canvas feature.

But a canvas doesn't do anything, does it? It's JS they always use to make it work.

Don't get me wrong though, I do like open standards and all, but in practice I've just never been satisfied with how well it works.

Last edited by ManaUser (2012-06-04 01:10:31)