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jji7skyline wrote:

WindozeNT wrote:

fire219 wrote:

What's so special about that? It can be done in almost every OS in existance, using the echo or print command.

He means that it actually speaks the words.

Yesh... is that hard to understand? 

As I said, Windows can do that without usage of the command line.

Erm, I'll admit that windows come installed with a bunch of lame tools. But so Mac doesn't come with any lame tools at all? I thought it came with iTunes and a calculator.

jji7skyline wrote:

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04 … ng-to-mac/

I literally laughed when I got to the part that said "OPEN SOURCE FRIENDLY". Really, when was apple ever open source friendly? For crying out loud you have to pay 90 bucks to release free software...
Find another source JJ, that one just isn't reliable.

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jji7skyline wrote:

slinger wrote:

Erm, I'll admit that windows come installed with a bunch of lame tools. But so Mac doesn't come with any lame tools at all? I thought it came with iTunes and a calculator.

jji7skyline wrote:

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04 … ng-to-mac/

I literally laughed when I got to the part that said "OPEN SOURCE FRIENDLY". Really, when was apple ever open source friendly? For crying out loud you have to pay 90 bucks to release free software...
Find another source JJ, that one just isn't reliable.

Mac comes with a bunch of cool apps, including

Safari
Calculator (lame, but useful  )
Dictionary
Terminal
Activity Monitor
Quicktime
Grab
Chess
Dashboard
Launchpad

And iLife.

iLife as in...

Photobooth (hours of fun)
iPhoto
iMovie (good for making movies)
Garageband (professional/amateur level sound manipulation)
Mail
iWeb (Similar to dreamweaver, not as powerful).

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As for OSX being not open... I keep asking you. How is it any less open than Windows? Mac is based on Unix which is open source, has developer tools that are open-source, has an open-source based webkit browser, and most linux apps can be easily converted and run using X11.

Answer this question. Tell me 5 things that are open-source in Windows?

As for the $99 Dev thingy, you don't need that to dev apps. You've obviously been mind changed by anti-Mac propaganda.

Ok, mac comes with cool applications.
Did I just see Chess as an app 
Windows comes with a terminal....
edit: windows has most of that stuff :p

ok then: Transposer, Notepad++, Lazpaint, Lazarus, audacity, LMMS + most of the software on my computer.
Ok, so you can submit apps to the app store for free then? Trust me, you've been brainwashed by the Mac Fan boys 

Just for the record, I'm no fan of Mac or Windows, I just like OS debates 

and also for the record, Linux is the only OS I really like but due to school stuff I can't transfer yet D:

Last edited by slinger (2012-03-21 02:55:16)

Wut, when did I say that?

Erm, so, you can submit your apps for free then?
If it's not an argument then what is it. Although windows doesn't have a store, there are other ways of spending my money other than wasting my time and money paying for something that other are going to get for free. It's not thought out. You'd have to be practically brain dead to submit something to the app store because Apple really likes getting lots of money from companies. Most of the money you pay for a song/movie/game actually goes to Apple(fact). What if you don't use your iPod/apple product anymore and you want to move your songs/movies to an MP3 player? Guess what, if you do that, you're a pirate.

Windows not having an app store is a FEATURE, not a problem! What if I need to get a quick security release out to my users? I can't wait months for Apple or some other company to "approve" my app! There would be a huge amount of time in which users would be having a glitchy experience, possibly security risks, or being completely unable to use my program at all!

Another thing: I too thought that Apple products, especially iOS, were supposed to be flawless, with no glitches. Man was I wrong. Safari crashes, for some reason I am randomly losing my wifi connection (my WINDOWS laptop os still getting it just fine), and plenty of apps that DO make it through to the store seem to be horribly untested, and crash immediately.

slinger wrote:

What if you don't use your iPod/apple product anymore and you want to move your songs/movies to an MP3 player? Guess what, if you do that, you're a pirate.

Actually that's not piracy anymore, they removed the DRM.

16Skittles wrote:

Do you know why Windows doesn't come with a bunch of random tools? Because not everyone uses them. It is not difficult at all to go download what you want. If they pre-installed stuff like Apache, most people would think "what the heck is this?" Many of those tools are just a waste of your already cramped 64GB SSD.

Yep. If you want specific software for your needs, you go get that.
And actually one reason many people get Macs is because it comes with so much "free software" but actually the cost difference between equivalent Macs and PCs usually makes up for it

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

Do you know why Windows doesn't come with a bunch of random tools? Because not everyone uses them. It is not difficult at all to go download what you want. If they pre-installed stuff like Apache, most people would think "what the heck is this?" Many of those tools are just a waste of your already cramped 64GB SSD.

Yep. If you want specific software for your needs, you go get that.
And actually one reason many people get Macs is because it comes with so much "free software" but actually the cost difference between equivalent Macs and PCs usually makes up for it

True.

And I still have to keep telling you! Releasing apps for Mac is just like releasing apps for PC! You can just serve them on your own website, give it to Cnet, whatever! You don't HAVE to use the app store! But there is the choice of doing so!

And the boot in different partitions so your argument is invalid.

I'm not the one arguing that it's that closed.


And my argument isn't invalid. There may be an issue with the disk partition caused by the dual-booting with OS X.

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

True.

And I still have to keep telling you! Releasing apps for Mac is just like releasing apps for PC! You can just serve them on your own website, give it to Cnet, whatever! You don't HAVE to use the app store! But there is the choice of doing so!

And the boot in different partitions so your argument is invalid.

I'm not the one arguing that it's that closed.


And my argument isn't invalid. There may be an issue with the disk partition caused by the dual-booting with OS X.

Well... that's one thing settled 

The partition was reformatted by Windows as far as I know 

I do think that they make it more difficult to advertise their software than (and copied the idea of) Ubuntu's.

And you used OS X to create the partition, right? That might be part of it, along with it not being the normal hardware. Also, are you sure all of the memory works on your Windows partition as well?

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Well... that's one thing settled 

The partition was reformatted by Windows as far as I know 

I do think that they make it more difficult to advertise their software than (and copied the idea of) Ubuntu's.

And you used OS X to create the partition, right? That might be part of it, along with it not being the normal hardware. Also, are you sure all of the memory works on your Windows partition as well?

True, I don't know if the iOS app store, or the Ubuntu Software Manager was created first, but most software managing programs in mobiles/computers are based on either of those two.

If there was a problem with the partition, Windows wouldn't have installed on there 

And the hardware isn't obscure hardware. The HDD is from seagate, the cpu from intel, the graphics from amd etc. 

And yes, everything works, from the keyboard, to the mouse to the speakers, to the monitor...

Yet it still freezes. You've got to admit Windows loves to freeze :3

I don't need to admit it because my Windows freezes once in a blue moon. I swear, it only freezes if I have very high memory applications open at the same time (Minecraft, foobar, Steam, Dropbox, Palringo, Chromium, Audacity  )

And the iOS app store did come first, but honestly the USC does it better 

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

True, I don't know if the iOS app store, or the Ubuntu Software Manager was created first, but most software managing programs in mobiles/computers are based on either of those two.

If there was a problem with the partition, Windows wouldn't have installed on there 

And the hardware isn't obscure hardware. The HDD is from seagate, the cpu from intel, the graphics from amd etc. 

And yes, everything works, from the keyboard, to the mouse to the speakers, to the monitor...

Yet it still freezes. You've got to admit Windows loves to freeze :3

I don't need to admit it because my Windows freezes once in a blue moon. I swear, it only freezes if I have very high memory applications open at the same time (Minecraft, foobar, Steam, Dropbox, Palringo, Chromium, Audacity  )

And the iOS app store did come first, but honestly the USC does it better 

How old is your installation?

See? Apple is the source of all cool things :3 [/generalisation]

Several years old.


The idea was devised independently, actually.

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

How old is your installation?

See? Apple is the source of all cool things :3 [/generalisation]

Several years old.


The idea was devised independently, actually.

Windows 8 plans to have a app store thing...

I hate the Metro interface though...

Probably because your is an XP 

Yeah I'm not really a fan of Metro for desktops & laptops, though maybe tablets.
And I do think XP is superior than newer versions