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#1 2012-02-29 21:34:28

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Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

Sorry if this has been asked already. Please tell me if it has. Anyway, sometimes, in the notes of people's projects, People say "Do not remix!" Since Scratch is creative comments so this doesn't seem right. Is it allowed?


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#2 2012-02-29 21:38:12

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

yes i think it is allowed! People never listen to those though.


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#3 2012-02-29 21:40:48

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

coolhogs wrote:

yes i think it is allowed! People never listen to those though.

But if the owner said "Do not remix!", Someone remixed, and the the owner of the original project flagged that project that wouldn't be allowed though right?


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#4 2012-02-29 21:42:56

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

Nope, not really allowed.

All projects on the website are covered by a CC license that allows for it to be remixed. So even if you did put a "No Remix allowed" rule in the project notes, you can't force Scratchers to follow them.


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#5 2012-02-29 21:45:12

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

cheddargirl wrote:

Nope, not really allowed.

All projects on the website are covered by a CC license that allows for it to be remixed. So even if you did put a "No Remix allowed" rule in the project notes, you can't force Scratchers to follow them.

So if you see a project like that you shouldn't flag it but you don't need to listen to it either?


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#6 2012-02-29 21:46:18

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

puppymk wrote:

coolhogs wrote:

yes i think it is allowed! People never listen to those though.

But if the owner said "Do not remix!", Someone remixed, and the the owner of the original project flagged that project that wouldn't be allowed though right?

The flagger will likely get a notification about how remixing is allowed on the Scratch website. Remixes aren't usually removed unless they're exact copies or the remixer purposely fails to give credit to the original owner (usually by removing the attribution tag and/or not giving credit in the notes, depending on the situation).


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#7 2012-02-29 21:49:56

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

Saying it is allowed, but trying to prevent people from downloading and remixing is not allowed.

Scratch doesn't have a "Turn remixing off" button for a reason: they encourage remixing.


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#8 2012-02-29 21:51:12

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

puppymk wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

Nope, not really allowed.

All projects on the website are covered by a CC license that allows for it to be remixed. So even if you did put a "No Remix allowed" rule in the project notes, you can't force Scratchers to follow them.

So if you see a project like that you shouldn't flag it but you don't need to listen to it either?

If you see a project that has "No Remix Allowed", it might be a good idea to flag it down so a Scratch Team member can come in an explain that all projects on the site can be remixed.

And yes, even if a project has "No Remix Allowed" in the project notes, you can still remix it anyway.


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#9 2012-02-29 21:51:57

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

cheddargirl wrote:

puppymk wrote:

coolhogs wrote:

yes i think it is allowed! People never listen to those though.

But if the owner said "Do not remix!", Someone remixed, and the the owner of the original project flagged that project that wouldn't be allowed though right?

The flagger will likely get a notification about how remixing is allowed on the Scratch website. Remixes aren't usually removed unless they're exact copies or the remixer purposely fails to give credit to the original owner (usually by removing the attribution tag and/or not giving credit in the notes, depending on the situation).

I just feel bad remixing a project when the person put specifically in the project notes not to remix it.


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#10 2012-02-29 22:01:29

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

puppymk wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

puppymk wrote:


But if the owner said "Do not remix!", Someone remixed, and the the owner of the original project flagged that project that wouldn't be allowed though right?

The flagger will likely get a notification about how remixing is allowed on the Scratch website. Remixes aren't usually removed unless they're exact copies or the remixer purposely fails to give credit to the original owner (usually by removing the attribution tag and/or not giving credit in the notes, depending on the situation).

I just feel bad remixing a project when the person put specifically in the project notes not to remix it.

Well, putting "Do not remix" on project goes against the ideas behind Scratch, so imagine how the Scratch Team must feel if people are discouraged from remixing.  sad

If people don't really want their projects to be remixed, then it's not a good idea to share them on Scratch in the first place. But the ST is hoping that people share their project on Scratch and allow people to remix. After all remixing and building upon other people's projects is a great way to learn more about Scratch and gives a way for user to sometimes create bigger and better projects than they can do on their own.  smile


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#11 2012-02-29 22:07:48

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

cheddargirl wrote:

puppymk wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:


The flagger will likely get a notification about how remixing is allowed on the Scratch website. Remixes aren't usually removed unless they're exact copies or the remixer purposely fails to give credit to the original owner (usually by removing the attribution tag and/or not giving credit in the notes, depending on the situation).

I just feel bad remixing a project when the person put specifically in the project notes not to remix it.

Well, putting "Do not remix" on project goes against the ideas behind Scratch, so imagine how the Scratch Team must feel if people are discouraged from remixing.  sad

If people don't really want their projects to be remixed, then it's not a good idea to share them on Scratch in the first place. But the ST is hoping that people share their project on Scratch and allow people to remix. After all remixing and building upon other people's projects is a great way to learn more about Scratch and gives a way for user to sometimes create bigger and better projects than they can do on their own.  smile

OK thanks!


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#12 2012-03-01 11:58:13

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

It's not against the rules to say "do not remix", but it's also not against the rules to remix a project that says that.

So basically, you can politely ask people not to remix, but there's nothing forcing them to comply.


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#13 2012-03-01 12:02:20

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

RedRocker227 wrote:

It's not against the rules to say "do not remix", but it's also not against the rules to remix a project that says that.

So basically, you can politely ask people not to remix, but there's nothing forcing them to comply.


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#14 2012-03-01 16:04:30

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

I think 'do not remix' isn't really against the rules, it's just not suggested. I think it's okay if you tell viewers that if they remix, they give credit or something like that, though.

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#15 2012-03-01 19:24:59

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

OK thanks everybody!


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#16 2012-03-01 19:58:44

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

You can say "Please do not remix"


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#17 2012-03-02 04:10:31

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

You can say it but you can't make people stick to it.


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#18 2012-03-02 08:31:00

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Re: Is saying "Do not remix!" on projects allowed?

Being a programmer, I personally have never had, and probably will never will have, a reason to dislike a remix. I like to see what all the real geniuses around here can add to my project.  hmm

But I see how the artist and musician community might not like it if their work is copied.  sad

EDIT: This sounds to contradictory right under ProgramCAT's signature: "programming is an art".  tongue

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