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Second place! I'm going to state! 

shadow_7283 wrote:

Second place! I'm going to state! 

Fantastic!  Congratulations.

Awww... Thanks guys. 

Python is pretty cool. I made my first own implementation of Morphic in Python using PyGame and the code was more concise than my JavaScript implementation of the same thing. Personally, I think the indentation syntax is an anachronistic disgrace, but I have to admit (grudgingly) that it does help readability. I'm getting increasingly confused, though, by the whole 2.x vs. 3.x debate in Python and which one works with PyGame (or its successor) under which OS, and which one doesn't.

BornAgainAtheist wrote:

I find that as long as you have functions, classes, and complex data structure support, you can do that stuff on your own... a concept I learned from BYOB.

Interesting.  I'm surprised how much Python spirit there is in this group!  Maybe I should learn to like it, although I've had too much experience of different editors disagreeing about how many spaces equals one tab to have much faith in whitespace carrying meaning.

But, in response to the sentence quoted, you don't even need classes or data structures!  As long as you have lambda (and lexical scope) you can build all the rest.  And, yeah, I spent the first couple of decades of my programming career in assembler, and managed to get work done.

And, similarly, people manage (somehow) to get work done in Java, without lambda.  It's not that one set of features is the only possible way.

But I guess I'm saying that it's not worth my time to learn another language that just gives me a slightly different notation for the same old ideas.  If I'm going to learn a language, it's going to be one that gives me a whole different way of thinking -- Prolog, say.  Not my favorite notation, but it's a notation for a very cool idea you don't see in most languages.

Or, looking at the same idea backwards, everyone who teaches Scheme comes across students regularly who write C programs in Scheme notation, and they work, but those students hate Scheme (which isn't a very good notation for C programs), and don't learn to think functionally.

BornAgainAtheist wrote:

Well if you want to get super low level all you need is a Turing machine.

But I don't want to get super low level.  I paid my dues, thank you, and now what I want is a language that helps me think, not just one that exposes the computer's digestive system.

EDIT: Even for proving theorems about the capabilities and limitations of computers, which is what Turing had in mind, I'd rather use Church's lambda calculus, which is equivalent in power and much less annoying in its details.

EDIT 2: Don't misunderstand, Turing is one of my top heros; he basically won World War II by breaking the German code system, and he invented theoretical computer science when there were maybe half a dozen computers in the world.  (And we're not allowed to talk about how his life ended, but look it up if you don't know.)

Last edited by bharvey (2012-02-25 18:10:48)

could you post the script? 

not very annoying on windows, but on linux it's really disturbing 

It's just one line of code.

Last edited by Hardmath123 (2012-02-27 08:19:14)

scimonster wrote:

Hardmath123 wrote:

http://www.imgpaste.com/jtil.png

It's just one line of code.

Are you zoomed in? Try pressing Ctrl+0.

Do you mean alt+o?

Oh then maybe it's command+O

cmd+ and cmd- zoom/unzoom, and to reset zoom just open a new window. But it's not zoomed. What's interesting is clicking triggers the scrollbar, otherwise it's fine. But what use is Snap! without the ability to click? 

PS Is "Snapper" an acceptable term for one who uses Snap!? 

Last edited by Hardmath123 (2012-02-27 09:00:45)