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randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 20:25:06

First of all, what happened to MISC?

Secondly, I had to write a persuasive paragraph for English. Any feed back?

Why it is better to Teach Persuasive Writing than Informative Writing

Informative writing gives the reader a choice about what to believe. But life is too important, too sudden, too unforgiving for “free will”. Free will is a luxury for which there is no time. The miniscule amount of time in a school day allowed for studying and practicing writing should be devoted solely to persuasive writing. Though both types of writing make use of words, commas, periods, and other punctuation marks to form sentences, only by use of persuasive writing do students develop a sense of logic and reason. Learning extraordinary persuasive writing skills would help students pursue careers in politics, propaganda, and advertising— by far the three best careers. Another reason to focus class time on persuasive writing is to help students develop stronger arguments. The use of logical fallacies in student writing is a growing problem. A survey of three freshman writing pieces shows that all freshman use hasty generalizations. The fact that most students procrastinate shows that they make irrelevant conclusions. Affirming the consequent makes for bad writing, so student-produced bad writing shows that students affirm the consequent. Students’ use fallacies of false cause show poor teaching. All these problems could be fixed by teaching more about persuasion techniques and logic. Students who truly love persuasive writing may even decide to write, persuasively, about its merits; thus, causing it to expand with logistic growth similar to that of a deadly disease. Though some writers may argue that it is just as easy to mold a human mind by carefully informing readers so that they believe only what the author wants them to believe, this is unethical and lacks proper support through evidence.

imnotbob · 2012-02-03 20:37:26

It was archived.

PlutoIsHades · 2012-02-03 20:42:53

Good essay, but what about creative writing?

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 20:45:45

PlutoIsHades wrote:
Good essay, but what about creative writing?

We were only supposed compare 2 things.

luiysia · 2012-02-03 20:46:01

I like the essay, but you forgot to mention how propaganda and advertising are possibly also the most hated jobs. Seriously, who WANTS to work in propaganda?

PlutoIsHades · 2012-02-03 20:48:31

randomnumber53 wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
Good essay, but what about creative writing?
We were only supposed compare 2 things.

Good essay, but was the "freshman generalizations" thing a joke? Or serious?

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 20:50:46

PlutoIsHades wrote:
randomnumber53 wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
Good essay, but what about creative writing?
We were only supposed compare 2 things.
Good essay, but was the "freshman generalizations" thing a joke? Or serious?

The whole essay is a joke tongue

bananaman114 · 2012-02-03 21:21:07

I read the first couple sentances, as anyone who knows me will expect me to do
one I'm too dam-dang lazy to read the whole thing
two I saw something that catches my eye

no time for "free will"
no time to do what we want?

a song lyric comes to mind
"We mostly work to live
until we live to work"

i'm not going to elaborate much on that
i just think it's funny how this was published on the internet
which would be defined, under your logic, as "free will"

curse me for not reading the whole thread

did i mention i was lazy

anyway this is a joke?
was the essay to write a joke?
because uh
if it was supposed to be serious i dont think your teacher will understand your sense of "humor"

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trinary · 2012-02-03 21:34:39

Try...grouping your ideas logically instead of in one (long) uninterrupted stream. Also, try breaking it up into paragraphs.

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 21:55:09

bananaman114 wrote:
I read the first couple sentances, as anyone who knows me will expect me to do
one I'm too dam-dang lazy to read the whole thing
two I saw something that catches my eye

no time for "free will"
no time to do what we want?

a song lyric comes to mind
"We mostly work to live
until we live to work"

i'm not going to elaborate much on that
i just think it's funny how this was published on the internet
which would be defined, under your logic, as "free will"

curse me for not reading the whole thread

did i mention i was lazy

anyway this is a joke?
was the essay to write a joke?
because uh
if it was supposed to be serious i dont think your teacher will understand your sense of "humor"

With my teacher, if you write a good paragraph, you get and A, but if you write a good, humorous paragraph, you get an A+.

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 21:56:13

trinary wrote:
Try...grouping your ideas logically instead of in one (long) uninterrupted stream. Also, try breaking it up into paragraphs.

We could only have 1 paragraph, less than a page.

Wickimen · 2012-02-03 21:59:45

...
I hope this isn't serious

ProgramCAT · 2012-02-03 22:04:07

Umm...maybe you should argue the other way. Just saying.
Like this quote:

randomnumber53 wrote:
But life is too important, too sudden, too unforgiving for “free will”. Free will is a luxury for which there is no time.

It's slightly...dictatorian.

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 22:06:48

ProgramCAT wrote:
Umm...maybe you should argue the other way. Just saying.
Like this quote:
randomnumber53 wrote:
But life is too important, too sudden, too unforgiving for “free will”. Free will is a luxury for which there is no time.
It's slightly...dictatorian.

Why is being "dictatorian" wrong? Wouldn't everybody have a much easier, safer life without the burden of choice?

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ProgramCAT · 2012-02-03 22:12:48

Yes...I agree...but what if those dictatored 'choices' were wrong? Dangerous? Destructive?

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 22:15:35

ProgramCAT wrote:
Yes...I agree...but what if those dictatored 'choices' were wrong? Dangerous? Destructive?

Our Great Leaders are chosen because they are strong, intelligent, and kind. How could you say that they could possibly make a bad choice!

soupoftomato · 2012-02-03 22:18:43

randomnumber53 wrote:
ProgramCAT wrote:
Yes...I agree...but what if those dictatored 'choices' were wrong? Dangerous? Destructive?
Our Great Leaders are chosen because they are strong, intelligent, and kind. How could you say that they could possibly make a bad choice!

The ones that force their way up there!

ProgramCAT · 2012-02-03 22:19:07

randomnumber53 wrote:
ProgramCAT wrote:
Yes...I agree...but what if those dictatored 'choices' were wrong? Dangerous? Destructive?
Our Great Leaders are chosen because they are strong, intelligent, and kind. How could you say that they could possibly make a bad choice!

'Great Leaders' ?
Power can corrupt some people.
And while the person may be good, everyone makes mistakes.
You cannot be perfect, all of the time.

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randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 22:23:56

ProgramCAT wrote:
randomnumber53 wrote:
ProgramCAT wrote:
Yes...I agree...but what if those dictatored 'choices' were wrong? Dangerous? Destructive?
Our Great Leaders are chosen because they are strong, intelligent, and kind. How could you say that they could possibly make a bad choice!
'Great Leaders' ?
Power can corrupt some people.
And while the person may be good, everyone makes mistakes.
You cannot be perfect, all of the time.

That only supports my point. If everybody can make choices, the chances for a bad choice grow. The majority of kids, at least at my school, don't care at all about grades, much less about learning. I certainly wouldn't want them making choices.

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ProgramCAT · 2012-02-03 22:42:09

If you placed a single person in control of an entire population, their choices, good or bad would affect the entire population. Their decision is made on behalf of everyone, and the effect of the dictator's choice amplifies throughout the population. So your point effectively backfires.

Benevolent dictatorship is rare, and, power often can corrupt. It is almost always abused. [I'm not naming any historical world leaders.]

Free choice, on the other hand, is the expression of each individual's beliefs. It acknowledges each person's thoughts and decisions. It makes them and them alone control over their future.It separates us from computers or machines, who, though powerful, are simply executors of our commands and have no free will.

And to your point on the students at your school, that is partially the result of the inadequacy of overworked and stressed teachers, and partially the result of an inefficient and dictatorial schooling system. At any rate, it is off topic.

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coolstuff · 2012-02-03 22:46:45

Let's keep this as a discussion of the paragraph itself, not the contents of the paragraph. smile

soupoftomato · 2012-02-03 22:47:34

coolstuff wrote:
Let's keep this as a discussion of the paragraph itself, not the contents of the paragraph.

But that is discussing the paragraph . . .

It is an interesting discussion anyway.

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 22:53:59

ProgramCAT wrote:
If you placed a single person in control of an entire population, their choices, good or bad would affect the entire population. Their decision is made on behalf of everyone, and the effect of the dictator's choice amplifies throughout the population. So your point effectively backfires.

Benevolent dictatorship is rare, and, power often can corrupt. It is almost always abused. [I'm not naming any historical world leaders.]

Free choice, on the other hand, is the expression of each individual's beliefs. It acknowledges each person's thoughts and decisions. It makes them and them alone control over their future.It separates us from computers or machines, who, though powerful, are simply executors of our commands and have no free will.

And to your point on the students at your school, that is partially the result of the inadequacy of overworked and stressed teachers, and partially the result of an inefficient and dictatorial schooling system. At any rate, it is off topic.

Wait, do you think I'm suggesting having humans as leaders? Lol, of course not. Don't be silly.

About the school system. In my experience, it hasn't been the school system. Kids just don't care. Not to be judgmental, but they generally fall into one of three categories:

1) Kids who do care. Usually "Honors" students, but not always.
2) Socialites. They spend all class talking or texting.
3)Jerks. These kids attempt to disrupt the classroom. Why? I don't know. Their vocabulary consists of two words, both beginning with "f".

Fortunetly, I'm ahead a few grades in math and science, and our school has Honors English for Freshman, so I don't have to deal with kids in those classes. But in Spanish, Global History, and Health/P.E., I can barely even focus because of the incessant distractions.

randomnumber53 · 2012-02-03 22:55:12

Anyways, yes this paragraph is satirical, but I would still appreciate feedback smile

ProgramCAT · 2012-02-03 23:19:47

The very act of your posting on this site is possible because of your free choice.
If we were controlled by any decision-making dictatorial system, the Internet would not even exist. Free choice would not exist, so creativity would not exist, and we would be forever stuck in the same loop of decisions from lack of innovation and new ideas. A system that does not learn is rigid and rather useless in the face of change.

Change happens. Accept it.

And what do you propose in place of a human-based dictator anyway?
[if your dictator-based system idea was implemented]

To rebut your irrelevant and off topic point on schooling systems, you refer to the minority. The small group of people who do fall into your proposed 'categories' are unlikely to act, in actuality, this way when they mature.
If the people of the world did follow your categories, then the world as we see it today would not function. It would be utterly devoid of meaning, creativity, and there would be far more unemployment, hopelessness and death than the amount today.

In any case, you have veered slightly off topic with the discussion on schooling systems.

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