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#201 2012-01-10 10:41:40

cheddargirl
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Re: Image tags disabled

The_Magic_Puppeteer wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

The_Magic_Puppeteer wrote:

EXCUSE ME GOOD SIR

BUT WHAT IS THE USE OF DISABLING IMAGE TAGS

IF WE WERE TO SIMPLY ENHANCE THE AMOUNT OF MODERATORS

(breathe)

AND PROPERLY BAN USERS WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM

If it was just that easy it probably would have been done already.  hmm

No amount of moderator or banning doesn't really solve problems like this since it doesn't really hit the issue of security and safety on the site (it's happened twice already, which kind of shows how vulnerable the site can be at times). It's better to put a temporary measure in place to treat that vulnerability instead of going towards a solution that doesn't truly solve the problem at hand.

WELL WHAT IF WE WERE TO HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS REPORTED BE IMMEDIATELY HIDDEN AND PU UNDER REVIEW BY MODS?

One of the issues with a report system like that is that it can easily be abused.

But even if that idea was advocated, it would still take some time to put in place. The same can be said for all the other ideas floating around here - any solution to be put in place takes some time to code and implement.

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#202 2012-01-10 15:48:50

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Re: Image tags disabled

Thanks to everyone above who has spent time thinking carefully about this problem. As many of you have realized, if you take the time to think this through, it's a fairly tough thing to solve.

One of the approaches we've been thinking about is to only allow using the [img] tag for images hosted by a single free and easy to use image hosting provider. So you'd have to upload an image you wanted to use there before linking to it in your post. If the service had its own rules about what is or isn't ok to upload (and ways of enforcing them), we could leverage some of their security to make ours a little stronger, and still allow images in posts.

For example, imageshack's rules prevent inappropriate stuff:
http://imageshack.us/content.php?page=rules

Short version of the ImageShack Terms of Service
Do not upload anything that can be construed as porn, copyrighted material, harassment, or spam. If you do, we will ban you, delete all your images, and prevent you from viewing any images hosted on the ImageShack Network. You own the content that you upload.

If they also have extra code in place to prevent inappropriate stuff, then only allowing images uploaded to their site to show up on our forums might help. (It'd be a comparatively small / easy change to our code.)

But this is just the first site I've checked out - I don't know if they'd be a good hosting site, I'm just using them as an example.  If any of you who are interested in helping solve this problem would like to do some research and suggest image hosts that might be a good fit, we'd be open to checking them out.

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#203 2012-01-10 16:50:54

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Re: Image tags disabled

Lightnin wrote:

Thanks to everyone above who has spent time thinking carefully about this problem. As many of you have realized, if you take the time to think this through, it's a fairly tough thing to solve.

One of the approaches we've been thinking about is to only allow using the [url]tag for images hosted by a single free and easy to use image hosting provider. So you'd have to upload an image you wanted to use there before linking to it in your post. If the service had its own rules about what is or isn't ok to upload (and ways of enforcing them), we could leverage some of their security to make ours a little stronger, and still allow images in posts.

For example, imageshack's rules prevent inappropriate stuff:
http://imageshack.us/content.php?page=rules

Short version of the ImageShack Terms of Service
Do not upload anything that can be construed as porn, copyrighted material, harassment, or spam. If you do, we will ban you, delete all your images, and prevent you from viewing any images hosted on the ImageShack Network. You own the content that you upload.

If they also have extra code in place to prevent inappropriate stuff, then only allowing images uploaded to their site to show up on our forums might help. (It'd be a comparatively small / easy change to our code.)

But this is just the first site I've checked out - I don't know if they'd be a good hosting site, I'm just using them as an example.  If any of you who are interested in helping solve this problem would like to do some research and suggest image hosts that might be a good fit, we'd be open to checking them out.

They host everything EXCEPT for animated gifs. You need a premium account for animated gifs.

However, other than that they are a very good image host.
And I think we can live without animated gifs.


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#204 2012-01-10 17:08:13

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Re: Image tags disabled

Dinoclor wrote:

They host everything EXCEPT for animated gifs. You need a premium account for animated gifs.

However, other than that they are a very good image host.
And I think we can live without animated gifs.

Yeah, I don't think animated GIFs play a particularly great role in the grand spectrum of the forums.  smile

In my experience, imageshack has been fairly reliable.  smile

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#205 2012-01-10 17:40:10

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Re: Image tags disabled

coolstuff wrote:

Dinoclor wrote:

They host everything EXCEPT for animated gifs. You need a premium account for animated gifs.

However, other than that they are a very good image host.
And I think we can live without animated gifs.

Yeah, I don't think animated GIFs play a particularly great role in the grand spectrum of the forums.  smile

In my experience, imageshack has been fairly reliable.  smile

Imageshack is great however they want you to make your image link to their site. There is a direct link option but you have to signup for that I think. Would another image host be better?  hmm


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#206 2012-01-10 18:29:52

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Re: Image tags disabled

Daffy22 wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

Dinoclor wrote:

They host everything EXCEPT for animated gifs. You need a premium account for animated gifs.

However, other than that they are a very good image host.
And I think we can live without animated gifs.

Yeah, I don't think animated GIFs play a particularly great role in the grand spectrum of the forums.  smile

In my experience, imageshack has been fairly reliable.  smile

Imageshack is great however they want you to make your image link to their site. There is a direct link option but you have to signup for that I think. Would another image host be better?  hmm

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#207 2012-01-10 18:41:36

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Re: Image tags disabled

coolstuff wrote:

Dinoclor wrote:

They host everything EXCEPT for animated gifs. You need a premium account for animated gifs.

However, other than that they are a very good image host.
And I think we can live without animated gifs.

Yeah, I don't think animated GIFs play a particularly great role in the grand spectrum of the forums.  smile

In my experience, imageshack has been fairly reliable.  smile

Yeah, animated GIFs just make the page take forever to load and really, do we even need them? I mean, they arent' really that important...


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#208 2012-01-10 22:44:55

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Re: Image tags disabled

Imageshack is blocked by many parental controls systems though.  hmm

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#209 2012-01-10 23:04:59

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Re: Image tags disabled

I like Majhost


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#210 2012-01-11 07:27:22

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Re: Image tags disabled

scimonster wrote:

Imageshack is blocked by many parental controls systems though.  hmm

Like mine. I managed to disable the parental controls though :DDDDDD


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#211 2012-01-11 10:24:40

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Re: Image tags disabled

I guess this is permenent right? (I hope not  sad  )

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#212 2012-01-11 10:35:48

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Re: Image tags disabled

BloodFeatherGem123 wrote:

I guess this is permenent right? (I hope not  sad  )

They have said it is temporary.  wink

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#213 2012-01-11 12:35:40

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Re: Image tags disabled

rabbit1131 wrote:

Ummm... What about a manual upgrade, for the people you know you can trust?

and then you have to post the actual URL, not just hide it with different text, so people may be able to tell its inappropriate without going to the site


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#214 2012-01-11 14:17:12

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Re: Image tags disabled

scimonster wrote:

Imageshack is blocked by many parental controls systems though.  hmm

That's interesting! Especially considering that their policies prohibit inappropriate stuff. Hmm...

Daffy22 wrote:

Imageshack is great however they want you to make your image link to their site. There is a direct link option but you have to signup for that I think. Would another image host be better?  hmm

Don't know! But please check around, and if you find one that you think would be good (based on the criteria described in my post above), please let us know!


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#215 2012-01-11 14:54:13

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Re: Image tags disabled

I prefer Photobucket, but I'd be fine with ImageShack as well.

I think this is a good solution.


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#216 2012-01-11 15:22:08

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Re: Image tags disabled

Mokat wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

Dinoclor wrote:

They host everything EXCEPT for animated gifs. You need a premium account for animated gifs.

However, other than that they are a very good image host.
And I think we can live without animated gifs.

Yeah, I don't think animated GIFs play a particularly great role in the grand spectrum of the forums.  smile

In my experience, imageshack has been fairly reliable.  smile

Yeah, animated GIFs just make the page take forever to load and really, do we even need them? I mean, they arent' really that important...

I do like to have them in my sig though...  hmm

This is a really interesting idea, but I don't know how many people are going to want to sign up for an extra account and all that. How much work do you think it would be to impliment a flagging system like we have on the main site for the forums? I'm somewhat familiar with computer programing (took Computer Science last year) so I know it can be a lot of work...


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#217 2012-01-11 19:56:02

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Re: Image tags disabled

Or instead of limiting the upload source to one domain, we can just block out the problematic ones?


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#218 2012-01-11 21:00:56

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Re: Image tags disabled

Vista4563 wrote:

Or instead of limiting the upload source to one domain, we can just block out the problematic ones?

But then a Scratcher goes out, makes a site using a free web host, puts the inappropriate image there, and bypasses the whole thing.
Problematic?


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#219 2012-01-11 21:44:04

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Re: Image tags disabled

SJRCS_011 wrote:

Vista4563 wrote:

Or instead of limiting the upload source to one domain, we can just block out the problematic ones?

But then a Scratcher goes out, makes a site using a free web host, puts the inappropriate image there, and bypasses the whole thing.
Problematic?

nope

just block the site


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#220 2012-01-11 22:37:50

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Re: Image tags disabled

Servine wrote:

I respect your desicion, but...

@ The forums are now a bit more boring
@ Bye-bye Block Library
@ Everything is less attractive

Couldn't we just upload the post, but until a mod looks at it, the tags are disabled.

good idea!  smile


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#221 2012-01-11 22:42:14

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Re: Image tags disabled

IMGUR IS MUCH BETTER


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#222 2012-01-11 23:08:48

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Re: Image tags disabled

The_Magic_Puppeteer wrote:

IMGUR IS MUCH BETTER

how are you a new scratcher with a signature??


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#223 2012-01-12 06:51:04

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Re: Image tags disabled

schusteralex2 wrote:

The_Magic_Puppeteer wrote:

IMGUR IS MUCH BETTER

how are you a new scratcher with a signature??

He probably had it since before that restriction.

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#224 2012-01-12 07:26:58

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Re: Image tags disabled

scimonster wrote:

schusteralex2 wrote:

The_Magic_Puppeteer wrote:

IMGUR IS MUCH BETTER

how are you a new scratcher with a signature??

He probably had it since before that restriction.

Or got demoted.
Someone 'oughta tell him to stop with the caps all the time, too.


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#225 2012-01-12 11:13:13

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Re: Image tags disabled

The_Magic_Puppeteer wrote:

Imgur is much better

I agree. I love how you can just drag the picture into the browser to upload.

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