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#26 2011-12-21 10:09:21
- RedRocker227
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
TheCatAndTheBanana wrote:
Yes.
A sound is created with a vibration, which is how speakers work: vibrating in and out hundreds of times a minute. Ever felt a speaker as it's playing?
When the tree falls, it creates a big vibration, creating a loud sound.
Just nobody heard it.
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The thing is though, just because that's what normally happens, you can't 100% prove it'll happen again if you don't witness it. It's like the philosopher (I can never remember their name) who once said "How do we know for sure the sun will rise tomorrow? Just because it has done for everyday in the Earth's existence so far, you can't be 100% sure it will happen again."
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#27 2011-12-21 10:18:41
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
RedRocker227 wrote:
TheCatAndTheBanana wrote:
Yes.
A sound is created with a vibration, which is how speakers work: vibrating in and out hundreds of times a minute. Ever felt a speaker as it's playing?
When the tree falls, it creates a big vibration, creating a loud sound.
Just nobody heard it.
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[/thread]The thing is though, just because that's what normally happens, you can't 100% prove it'll happen again if you don't witness it. It's like the philosopher (I can never remember their name) who once said "How do we know for sure the sun will rise tomorrow? Just because it has done for everyday in the Earth's existence so far, you can't be 100% sure it will happen again."
Because it's been doing it for billions of years, there's no logical explanation to why the earth would stop spinning.
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#28 2011-12-21 10:25:09
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
my-chemical-romance wrote:
RedRocker227 wrote:
TheCatAndTheBanana wrote:
Yes.
A sound is created with a vibration, which is how speakers work: vibrating in and out hundreds of times a minute. Ever felt a speaker as it's playing?
When the tree falls, it creates a big vibration, creating a loud sound.
Just nobody heard it.
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[/thread]The thing is though, just because that's what normally happens, you can't 100% prove it'll happen again if you don't witness it. It's like the philosopher (I can never remember their name) who once said "How do we know for sure the sun will rise tomorrow? Just because it has done for everyday in the Earth's existence so far, you can't be 100% sure it will happen again."
Because it's been doing it for billions of years, there's no logical explanation to why the earth would stop spinning.
But there's always a chance. If you can 100% prove that the Earth won't stop spinning tomorrow, I'll happily accept I'm wrong. Just because it has done for all these years, it doesn't mean it will carry on doing it forever.
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#29 2011-12-21 10:38:59
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
My band teacher said that it's not a sound until someone hears it, just waves.
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#30 2011-12-21 10:42:39
Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
only the hipsters hear it
everyone else cant
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#31 2011-12-21 10:47:57
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
my-chemical-romance wrote:
undefeatedgames wrote:
Actually, this can happen.
If there was a forest on the moon, or on a planet with no atmosphere, and a tree fell, no one would hear it. Sound does not travel in space.
Simple
It'd still make sound, and why would a tree be somewhere without an atmosphere?
Yes, but sound cannot travel in space.
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#32 2011-12-21 10:52:20
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
undefeatedgames wrote:
Actually, this can happen.
If there was a forest on the moon, or on a planet with no atmosphere, and a tree fell, no one would hear it. Sound does not travel in space.
Simple
a forest wouldnt survive without atmosphere
and no offense, but its kinda obvoius that sounds dont travel in space 
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#33 2011-12-21 11:16:19
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
RedRocker227 wrote:
my-chemical-romance wrote:
RedRocker227 wrote:
The thing is though, just because that's what normally happens, you can't 100% prove it'll happen again if you don't witness it. It's like the philosopher (I can never remember their name) who once said "How do we know for sure the sun will rise tomorrow? Just because it has done for everyday in the Earth's existence so far, you can't be 100% sure it will happen again."Because it's been doing it for billions of years, there's no logical explanation to why the earth would stop spinning.
But there's always a chance. If you can 100% prove that the Earth won't stop spinning tomorrow, I'll happily accept I'm wrong. Just because it has done for all these years, it doesn't mean it will carry on doing it forever.
We'd notice if the earth stopped spinning, the proof is that because there's nothing slowing the earth's spin round we won't stop unless hit by something really big.
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#34 2011-12-21 11:21:03
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
If there are no ears to change the sound waves into sound, then it won't
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#35 2011-12-21 11:22:15
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
Andres-Vander wrote:
If there are no ears to change the sound waves into sound, then it won't
What if you set up a camera.
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#36 2011-12-21 11:30:31
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
According the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, it does neither. It only makes a sound when someone or something is around to hear it. As someone said on the subject,
Someone wrote:
If a cat is locked in a box with an atom that is set to have a 50% chance of releasing poisonous gasses into the air in one hour, then until somebody opens the box, the cat is 20% alive, 20% dead, and 60% bloody furious.
Of course, the cat knows if it's alive or dead, but you get the idea. Until the tree-falling-sound is observed by an observer (that was kinda unnecessary there, wasn't it?), it's both and neither. It takes some time to grasp.
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#37 2011-12-21 11:34:52
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
CheeseMunchy wrote:
Andres-Vander wrote:
If there are no ears to change the sound waves into sound, then it won't
What if you set up a camera.
It can capture sound, so what do you think? -.-
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#38 2011-12-21 11:39:13
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
Duh! It should make a sound.
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#40 2011-12-21 12:38:30
Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
Easy.
Put microphone in forest where tree is going to fall down. The microphone saves recordings to a hard drive. When the tree has fell, someone can go pick it up to find out.
And, of course, it will have been recorded.
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#41 2011-12-21 12:45:31
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
...And it hits a mime, does anyone care?
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#42 2011-12-21 12:51:33
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
still makes sound waves
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#44 2011-12-21 14:40:46
Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
Depends on your definition of sound, and your definition of "anyone".
If by sound you mean the compressive waves in the atmosphere, then yes, it will cause those.
If by sound you mean "something actually heard by an ear" then clearly not.
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#45 2011-12-21 22:03:57
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
maxskywalker wrote:
According the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, it does neither. It only makes a sound when someone or something is around to hear it. As someone said on the subject,
Someone wrote:
If a cat is locked in a box with an atom that is set to have a 50% chance of releasing poisonous gasses into the air in one hour, then until somebody opens the box, the cat is 20% alive, 20% dead, and 60% bloody furious.
Of course, the cat knows if it's alive or dead, but you get the idea. Until the tree-falling-sound is observed by an observer (that was kinda unnecessary there, wasn't it?), it's both and neither. It takes some time to grasp.
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#47 2011-12-22 04:04:44
Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
Actually no, or at least the last time I examined it closely the answer was no, because a noise is any sound wave at all but for it to be a sound somebody has to hear it.. Or something. But that was like 5 years ago that I did that.
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#48 2011-12-22 08:45:53
Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
I'm not really even sure about how hearing things works, but if the sound has to be vibrated off of ears for it to be a sound, and there aren't any ears around for it to vibrate off of, then I don't know
I think that Schrodinger thing is over-analyzing things for the sake of over-analyzing things and reading about it makes my brain hurt
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#49 2011-12-22 11:09:14
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
JJROCKER wrote:
I sang a song about this in 2nd grade.
How did it go?
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#50 2011-12-22 11:12:07
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Re: If a tree falls in the forest,
rufflebee wrote:
I'm not really even sure about how hearing things works, but if the sound has to be vibrated off of ears for it to be a sound, and there aren't any ears around for it to vibrate off of, then I don't know
I think that Schrodinger thing is over-analyzing things for the sake of over-analyzing things and reading about it makes my brain hurt
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