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sanddude wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

You don't have to face the kind of opposition we do. We get bullied everyday by people we thought were our friends. Do some of us, our Parents disown is. We people trying to pass laws to negate our rights. We have entire religious groups devoted to making us feel terrible. We are attacked at every turn. Accepting who you are makes you stronger. When your comfortable with yourself, you feel secure enough to take on those who wish you would just die.

Also, what I hear you saying is:
"Everyone has the right to feeling self-word, except homosexuality.

Err... did you even freaking read my post? I was saying that everybody should feel self-worth, including homosexuals. I just don't think they should be specifically proud of their homosexuality.

And also, if you're trying to make the LGBT community look strong, you crying and moaning about your problems isn't going to help. Go do something to change it, instead of making yourself look weak.

Why don't you think they should feel proud? You don't feel pride for being straight but others might. I'm not going to claim I do just to prove you wrong because I personally don't care about this. Stop trying to control people's pride. People can be proud of anything they choose. For example, eating 10 bagels in one sitting.

Paddle2See wrote:

It kind of seems like this has turned into some kind of "pride" shouting match.  Let's give it a rest.

Update:  We've received a couple of requests to have this topic reopened.  I will do so this time - but please note that this topic is taking a lot of moderator effort to keep the conversation respectful.  If it becomes too problematic, it will be closed permanently.

In that case, we've got to have certain people stop posting in

Last edited by Andres-Vander (2011-12-07 11:40:50)

I'm getting tired of how certain users are saying that it's wrong to be proud of who you are.. :L

Andres-Vander wrote:

sanddude wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

You don't have to face the kind of opposition we do. We get bullied everyday by people we thought were our friends. Do some of us, our Parents disown is. We people trying to pass laws to negate our rights. We have entire religious groups devoted to making us feel terrible. We are attacked at every turn. Accepting who you are makes you stronger. When your comfortable with yourself, you feel secure enough to take on those who wish you would just die.

Also, what I hear you saying is:
"Everyone has the right to feeling self-word, except homosexuality.

Err... did you even freaking read my post? I was saying that everybody should feel self-worth, including homosexuals. I just don't think they should be specifically proud of their homosexuality.

And also, if you're trying to make the LGBT community look strong, you crying and moaning about your problems isn't going to help. Go do something to change it, instead of making yourself look weak.

Why don't you think they should feel proud? You don't feel pride for being straight but others might. I'm not going to claim I do just to prove you wrong because I personally don't care about this. Stop trying to control people's pride. People can be proud of anything they choose. For example, eating 10 bagels in one sitting.

Yes, people can be, but that doesn't mean they should.

What I am saying is that you should be proud of yourself, but there's no reason to be SPECIFICALLY proud of being LGBT.

Earthboundjeff wrote:

STOP. POSTING. HERE.
Seriously, you caused this thread to get locked once. Can you just leave us alone or just talk about something else?

I'm trying to be more polite in this topic so we can have a mature debate.

Apparently you aren't though.

Earthboundjeff wrote:

Ugh. We've made our points, and you've made yours. We disagree, and that's fine, but there's nothing left to talk about.

I'd like for you to say why you should be proud of being LGBT as opposed to being straight. Anyone who did it the other way around would be called a homophobe, but if the LGBT community does it in their favor it's fine.

I don't support homophobia, but that doesn't mean I support heterophobia either.

sanddude wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

Ugh. We've made our points, and you've made yours. We disagree, and that's fine, but there's nothing left to talk about.

I'd like for you to say why you should be proud of being LGBT as opposed to being straight. Anyone who did it the other way around would be called a homophobe, but if the LGBT community does it in their favor it's fine.

I don't support homophobia, but that doesn't mean I support heterophobia either.

I'm proud to be different. And I'm proud to stand up for myself.
I'm proud to be who I am.

Bump!

Earthboundjeff, please stop with the bumping unless you have something to say :I

Earthboundjeff wrote:

You have point. I'll only bump it if it get's onto the 2nd page from now on.

So, you recognize that he has a point, but not what the point was?

Point=I shouldn't bump so much.

  ok

sanddude wrote:

Andres-Vander wrote:

sanddude wrote:

Err... did you even freaking read my post? I was saying that everybody should feel self-worth, including homosexuals. I just don't think they should be specifically proud of their homosexuality.

And also, if you're trying to make the LGBT community look strong, you crying and moaning about your problems isn't going to help. Go do something to change it, instead of making yourself look weak.

Why don't you think they should feel proud? You don't feel pride for being straight but others might. I'm not going to claim I do just to prove you wrong because I personally don't care about this. Stop trying to control people's pride. People can be proud of anything they choose. For example, eating 10 bagels in one sitting.

Yes, people can be, but that doesn't mean they should.

What I am saying is that you should be proud of yourself, but there's no reason to be SPECIFICALLY proud of being LGBT.

Why do you get to decide what people should and shouldn't be proud of? The point is they can and should be proud of anything. It depends on the person.

sanddude wrote:

I don't support homophobia, but that doesn't mean I support heterophobia either.

Nobody is supporting heterophobia or homophobia here. Just because a gay person is proud of being gay doesn't mean they're a heterophobe