Scratch

sparks wrote:

You can see those painstaking days where one tiny thing has to be changed in a hundred files and the visualisation just explodes with the list of edited file names!

Although CTRL+F does exist 

Yes!
As I said on the Vimeo page, I love the part at the end where a new branch literally unfolds out of nowhere! 

Wow, beautiful. I was thinking that to make collaboration easier, you could have a general project which members of the collab could edit and create together! It would be the Scratch program, but with voice chat and it could even show other people's cursors!

blob8108 wrote:

sparks wrote:

This is a really cool visualisation! It's amazing at the end too, when there's just an explosion of new files. You can see those painstaking days where one tiny thing has to be changed in a hundred files and the visualisation just explodes with the list of edited file names!

It looks really cool when that happens.    It seems like the work goes really slowly for aaages... and then there's suddenly a flurry of activity as they make progress again. I wonder why — is software development in general like this? Maybe the pauses are where they were making design decisions...

The visualization is cool, but the changes shown don't always correspond to the work. For example, the big explosion at the end was caused by the addition of code imported from the open-source forum project we're planning on using in Scratch 2.0. At that time all we did was copy and import some stuff, but the viz. makes it look like we did nothing but drink coffee and hammer out code for like 3 days straight.

A long time ago they used to pay coders per line of code, but then they realized that was a bad idea. You just get a lot of code that could be made shorter. 

So even a subtle small change could reflect a lot of time, energy, and thought. But the viz doesn't show that.

Lightnin wrote:

blob8108 wrote:

Magnie wrote:

I see Python! 

Maybe I'll be able to understand it and maybe code something! 

The video was cool, only problem was I couldn't see all the file names very well.    I saw 'views.py' most often. Out of curiosity, what is that?

I think they're using the Django web framework. In Django, views.py is where you put all your views!    Views handle HTTP requests and return a response (a web page, for example). You usually have a specific view for each kind of request. Basically, they're where most of the application logic goes. 

Yep, quite right!

That's what I thought. 

That Fernando guy looks like he's been working real hard!

Also looks like a lot of the base of the website is written in Python?

blob8108 wrote:

It seems like the work goes really slowly for aaages... and then there's suddenly a flurry of activity as they make progress again. I wonder why — is software development in general like this?

Have you ever watched a building being built?  It's the same thing -- nothing seems to happens for a month, and then one day the whole frame is up, then another month of nothing, then the walls appear, etc.  Probably all engineering projects are like that.

Lightnin wrote:

blob8108 wrote:

sparks wrote:

This is a really cool visualisation! It's amazing at the end too, when there's just an explosion of new files. You can see those painstaking days where one tiny thing has to be changed in a hundred files and the visualisation just explodes with the list of edited file names!

It looks really cool when that happens.    It seems like the work goes really slowly for aaages... and then there's suddenly a flurry of activity as they make progress again. I wonder why — is software development in general like this? Maybe the pauses are where they were making design decisions...

The visualization is cool, but the changes shown don't always correspond to the work. For example, the big explosion at the end was caused by the addition of code imported from the open-source forum project we're planning on using in Scratch 2.0. At that time all we did was copy and import some stuff, but the viz. makes it look like we did nothing but drink coffee and hammer out code for like 3 days straight.

So even a subtle small change could reflect a lot of time, energy, and thought. But the viz doesn't show that.

Ah, I see! I should've guessed it didn't match with actual progress...

A long time ago they used to pay coders per line of code, but then they realized that was a bad idea. You just get a lot of code that could be made shorter. 

I've heard of this. It seems very silly. There was a story where some coder optimised a function, reducing it by about a hundred of code; so had to write "-100" as the number of lines of code he'd written that day. 

jji7skyline wrote:

That Fernando guy looks like he's been working real hard!

Also looks like a lot of the base of the website is written in Python?

That's Champika - lead developer of the Scratch website. And yes, *she* has been working real hard. 

bharvey wrote:

Lightnin wrote:

A long time ago they used to pay coders per line of code,

Are you sure about this?  I got my first job (at IBM) in the summer of 1965, and I certainly wasn't paid by the line.  (We had a time clock; I punched in at 8:30am and punched out at 5:12pm, and no, not because it's a power of two.  A long story for some other thread.)

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure about this at all - only sure I've heard it mentioned, but only in passing. Come to think of it, it could certainly be a kind of urban legend.

Last edited by Lightnin (2012-04-27 21:28:50)

jji7skyline wrote:

That Fernando guy looks like he's been working real hard!

Also looks like a lot of the base of the website is written in Python?

The entire website's gonna be written in Django, an implementation of Python. 

Last edited by SJRCS_011 (2012-04-28 07:14:05)

Don't  use Internet!!!

videogame9 wrote:

Pikapika12 wrote:

Don't  use Internet!!!

And what exactly is your reason for using the Internet to tell us not to use the Internet?

Loool XD
Hypocrisy these days -_-

videogame9 wrote:

Pikapika12 wrote:

Don't  use Internet!!!

And what exactly is your reason for using the Internet to tell us not to use the Internet?

They might put the programmer online!!!!