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#1 2011-06-24 19:58:39

GameHutSoftware
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I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I'll give you one word:

Lists

Think about it. The Disappearing Text Bug first showed up in Scratch 1.3. Lists were first in Scratch 1.3. Lists are just a whole lot of text. Whenever I get the Bug, I'm using a list. Think about it.


Lurking more than posting, but still here.

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#2 2011-06-24 20:24:57

Paddle2See
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

Hmmm.  I wonder...you might have something here!  But it's probably going to be something that remains a mystery as I think the transition to the web version of Scratch should kill that bug once and for all.


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#3 2011-06-24 20:32:30

gerbils800
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I think you're right!  big_smile  It happened to me, I think I was using a list.

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#4 2011-06-25 18:36:33

Blackdog100
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I have got that bug while just doing simple scripting!  Hasn't happened to me since I got 1.4 though...


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#5 2011-06-25 21:29:38

somelia
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

But I'm not using lists.

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#6 2011-06-25 22:54:44

Harakou
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

It seems to be a bit quick to jump to this conclusion. After all, a correlation doesn't always signify a cause. Still, I suppose it's possible, especially if Paddle seems to agree.


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#7 2011-06-26 04:38:26

LordSydney
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Registered: 2011-04-20
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I got the bug while making my chopper test (link in my sig (my latest project test)) If you look at it, you will see it has no lists at all, I didn't even touch lists.


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#8 2011-06-26 08:23:37

jslomba
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

maybe it's just that lists are in scratch, they don't have to be showing.


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#9 2011-06-26 19:24:09

LordSydney
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

jslomba wrote:

maybe it's just that lists are in scratch, they don't have to be showing.

hmm  Well, it's not that much of a problem, so it's not like we will get rid of lists now...


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#10 2012-01-02 13:17:05

skeletonxf
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Registered: 2010-11-02
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I've only had the bug when in the Paint editor.

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#11 2012-01-08 20:27:21

Mokat
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Registered: 2011-12-08
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I don't think this is it, cause every time that I've gotten the bug I haven't used a list and it usually happens in the paint editor.


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#12 2012-01-08 20:46:06

CheeseMunchy
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I don't really mind the disappearing text bug.
It's easy to fix it once it happens.  hmm


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#13 2012-01-08 21:16:43

Bsteward
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I think I've had the text bug with no lists.


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#14 2012-01-08 21:23:09

kimmy123
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

Bsteward wrote:

I think I've had the text bug with no lists.

Metoo


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#15 2012-04-27 17:12:34

3sal2
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

Ok, this is a limitation. There is no "heap" in Squeak, unlike some others like Cocoa.


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#16 2012-04-27 17:33:46

Mokat
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

3sal2 wrote:

Ok, this is a limitation. There is no "heap" in Squeak, unlike some others like Cocoa.

Please don't necropost >.>


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#17 2012-04-28 18:29:30

James07
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

Yes, I only get the bug when I am using a list.


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#18 2012-05-01 22:22:28

stickdude123
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

GameHutSoftware wrote:

I'll give you one word:

Lists

Think about it. The Disappearing Text Bug first showed up in Scratch 1.3. Lists were first in Scratch 1.3. Lists are just a whole lot of text. Whenever I get the Bug, I'm using a list. Think about it.

good point! got an idea! get rid of lists all together! barely anyone uses them anyway6!


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#19 2012-05-01 22:24:35

stickdude123
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

no, its the memory usage, if youuch on dah list it WILL make memory for squeak low, so put AS LITTLE TEXT AS POSSIBLE!


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#20 2012-05-01 22:44:56

TorbyFork234
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

stickdude123 wrote:

GameHutSoftware wrote:

I'll give you one word:

Lists

Think about it. The Disappearing Text Bug first showed up in Scratch 1.3. Lists were first in Scratch 1.3. Lists are just a whole lot of text. Whenever I get the Bug, I'm using a list. Think about it.

good point! got an idea! get rid of lists all together! barely anyone uses them anyway6!

Anyone who uses array based raycasters (such as myself) uses them and they are a very important part for programming.

stickdude123 wrote:

no, its the memory usage, if youuch on dah list it WILL make memory for squeak low, so put AS LITTLE TEXT AS POSSIBLE!

I'm not sure that memory is causing the disappearing text glitch (I honestly don't know what the glitch is in fact) but lists also don't use a lot of memory. Every character on a list is about 3 bytes each.

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#21 2012-08-08 09:24:00

3sal2
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I think we're close to solving the mystery of the Disappearing Text Bug.

It's a bug in the Windows server.

I've got a similar issue on Word 2003, and one Scratcher said they've got an issue associated with images, not text. Some people got it in versions before 1.3. I use a Mac OS X and I never get the bug, or a similar issue. One part is unresolved: does it happen on Linux?

Last edited by 3sal2 (2012-08-08 09:34:26)


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#22 2012-08-08 09:44:52

RedRocker227
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Registered: 2011-10-26
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

3sal2 wrote:

I think we're close to solving the mystery of the Disappearing Text Bug.

It's a bug in the Windows server.

I've got a similar issue on Word 2003, and one Scratcher said they've got an issue associated with images, not text. Some people got it in versions before 1.3. I use a Mac OS X and I never get the bug, or a similar issue. One part is unresolved: does it happen on Linux?

I'm not sure but I think if it was a Windows-only problem someone would've noticed the pattern by now.


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#23 2012-08-09 09:02:49

TRocket
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Registered: 2009-08-18
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

RedRocker227 wrote:

3sal2 wrote:

I think we're close to solving the mystery of the Disappearing Text Bug.

It's a bug in the Windows server.

I've got a similar issue on Word 2003, and one Scratcher said they've got an issue associated with images, not text. Some people got it in versions before 1.3. I use a Mac OS X and I never get the bug, or a similar issue. One part is unresolved: does it happen on Linux?

I'm not sure but I think if it was a Windows-only problem someone would've noticed the pattern by now.

i thought we already knew it was a windows problem in scratch's unicodeplugin.dll


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#24 2012-08-10 02:48:44

Martiscratch
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

I use linux mint never got it


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#25 2012-08-10 14:17:16

joefarebrother
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Registered: 2011-04-08
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Re: I think I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug!!

stickdude123 wrote:

GameHutSoftware wrote:

I'll give you one word:

Lists

Think about it. The Disappearing Text Bug first showed up in Scratch 1.3. Lists were first in Scratch 1.3. Lists are just a whole lot of text. Whenever I get the Bug, I'm using a list. Think about it.

good point! got an idea! get rid of lists all together! barely anyone uses them anyway6!

Lists are what make scratch powerful! I'm working on a HUGE project to make scratch just as powerful as BYOB in a normal scratch project, and lists are a CORE part of it. Without lists, I would have to have thousands of variables and REALLY long scripts That would use up so much more memory than having lists.

LOADS of people DO use lists; it's just tiny compared to the number of beginners that don't understand them and therefore don't use them. Lists are a powerful feature of scratch so we should not get rid of them.

Anyway, I do believe lists are part if what causes the bug (along with costumes with text) because whenever I get it, my project has at least one list, and at least one costume with text on it. It should be fixed when 2.0 comes out, anyway.


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