Scratch

soupoftomato wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

Have you seen the programmers story:

You go on Scratch, you've worked for weeks to months on your best game yet. You upload it, expecting the front page. But to your dismay, there's a bunch of art on the front page of a programming website.

THIS.

Did you see the extended version on Page 7?

I have the forums personalized to have 75 posts per page. 

I might as well go lower it to the default...

The worst thing is, their not even efficient. They use 3 sprites and 5 scripts for something I could make in one script.

Lucario621 wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

Once again:

Have you seen the programmers story:

You go on Scratch, you've worked for weeks to months on your best game yet. You've perfected the scrolling, gravity, sensing and everything. This project is completely glitchless. You upload it, expecting the front page. How could it not get on the front page? Your advertising in your signature, you have some friends, and overall, it's a great project. But to your dismay, as you log on Scratch the next day, there's a poorly animated project of cat's arguing about something that was in fact, "Just a stupid boulder." You look at the comments, they like this stuff??? WHy aren't they praising my project, all I've been receiving is stuff saying things like, "The art needs to be better."

THIS.

Gotcha... 

ITT Everyone's getting their panties in a bunch over opinions.
I think this picture sums it up:

My PROPOSAL

The problem is that artists don't like to program as much and rather work and share their good art talent, while programmers don't have good art (usually. depends. i'm not criticizing any1 specific here. just compared to the non-programmers), yet are good at programming.

You have the programmers who make programmer art;
and the non-programmers who make non-programmer art.

I think people just need to make the 'art' more interactive or extensive (i'm thinking of this for my future projects as well); like animated art, like those old scratch movies. It takes some programming to get the timing and transparencies and stuff right (believe me..). Also, you could make a game with animated interactive art, making it more lively and interesting.  They could also just add SOMETHING interactive if it's just one picture (can't think of anything right now..).

The non-programmers can improve on programming and interactivity;
The programmers can improve on art and immersion.

So like I said, only people who WANT change enough will act. If they don't feel like changing, then they'll stick to game-making or stick to art-displays. It's really the person's choice. And how others react usually depends on the more famous scratchers who appear on the front page (or so).

You 'could' make an art, then a game, then an art, then a game, and so on, to make things more balanced.

Don't forget that Scratch is about FOUR things (mainly):
EDIT: --Games: Yes it's about games. But games can be formed from the stuff below too. P.S. Sorry soupoftomato forgot to add this i was thinking of the keywords in scratch.
--Stories: If you got a story/book you're writing, then post it on Scratch, into certain galleries for other Scratchers to see  . You might want to add some pictures tho so that half the visitors with ADHD don't leave on sight.
--Music: You can also upload custom music you've made. Usually incorporating this into a game or a well-made art is not a good idea if it's not the main point of the project- just to keep that in mind.
--Art: Yes, it's about art too. But it's also about other things, so try to keep it balanced.
--Animation: These also deserve a place on Scratch, and the timing and stuff needed to make them takes some programming (as long as it's longer than 10 seconds lol)

P.S. Btw, I currently have 4 AMV projects I'm thinking about (one that I've started), and 2 game or game/art projects in mind.

P.P.S. If you find 'any' of my projects hyprotical at all/in any way, don't blame me, cuz like I said-- THIS IS A PROPOSAL.

Last edited by Ludichris1 (2010-05-01 15:07:16)

Lucario621 wrote:

illusionist wrote:

~ WE THE LOYAL ~


imagine • program • share.
they don't seem to care.

imagine • program • share.
where is art in there?

they are invading our community!
with projects minus interactivity!

I offer the omnicollab, the perfect mix!

They insist upon 40 different projects.

lets string that into an animation!

I wait ten minutes for some song to load, to see a cat on a pogo-stick.
This disappoints me...

I Say, don't you belong on deviantart?
They say, we like this programming website better.

Half don't even bother posting their work in the forums.
Half don't know it exists!

spam • spam • spam.
shame • shame • shame.

I say, you are wanted on deviantart! Leave us in peace!
To be what we were made to be!

They say, no, we MUST use the programming website!

spam • spam • spam.
shame • shame • shame.

it. is. sad.
watching my loyal friends go,

driven out by this menace.

spam • spam • spam.
shame • shame • shame.

One of the offending, has started "rebellion".
rebellion, against, Scratch.

with only visible goal to be,

to defy what this was meant to be:

Scratch.

...imagine, program, share.

Why do they trash us so?'
Why do we tolerate it?
Why do they refuse to cooperate?
Why do we let them?

My loyal friends, if this never ends, we will all have to go.

You. Have. Made. My. Day. 

I am a programmer/poet/photographer/graphics artist 

Ludichris1 wrote:

My PROPOSAL

The problem is that artists don't like to program as much and rather work and share their good art talent, while programmers don't have good art (usually. depends. i'm not criticizing any1 specific here. just compared to the non-programmers), yet are good at programming.

You have the programmers who make programmer art;
and the non-programmers who make non-programmer art.

I think people just need to make the 'art' more interactive or extensive (i'm thinking of this for my future projects as well); like animated art, like those old scratch movies. It takes some programming to get the timing and transparencies and stuff right (believe me..). Also, you could make a game with animated interactive art, making it more lively and interesting.  They could also just add SOMETHING interactive if it's just one picture (can't think of anything right now..).

The non-programmers can improve on programming and interactivity;
The programmers can improve on art and immersion.

So like I said, only people who WANT change enough will act. If they don't feel like changing, then they'll stick to game-making or stick to art-displays. It's really the person's choice. And how others react usually depends on the more famous scratchers who appear on the front page (or so).

You 'could' make an art, then a game, then an art, then a game, and so on, to make things more balanced.

Don't forget that Scratch is about FOUR things (mainly):
--Stories: If you got a story/book you're writing, then post it on Scratch, into certain galleries for other Scratchers to see  . You might want to add some pictures tho so that half the visitors with ADHD don't leave on sight.
--Music: You can also upload custom music you've made. Usually incorporating this into a game or a well-made art is not a good idea if it's not the main point of the project- just to keep that in mind.
--Art: Yes, it's about art too. But it's also about other things, so try to keep it balanced.
--Animation: These also deserve a place on Scratch, and the timing and stuff needed to make them takes some programming (as long as it's longer than 10 seconds lol)

P.S. Btw, I currently have 4 AMV projects I'm thinking about (one that I've started), and 2 game or game/art projects in mind.

P.P.S. If you find 'any' of my projects hyprotical at all/in any way, don't blame me, cuz like I said-- THIS IS A PROPOSAL.

I noticed you didn't put games as one of the main things scratch is about. BIASED ANYONE?

Lucario621 wrote:

Mr-Mistah wrote:

illusionist wrote:

I am a programmer/poet/photographer/graphics artist 

Great poem.

Yes it is, lonwol 

I'm going to kill you

illusionist wrote:

Mr-Mistah wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

Yes it is, Mr-Mistah 

I'm going to kill you

Sorry, Mr-Mistah    but threats are not tolerated here.

>.>

Lucario621 wrote:

illusionist wrote:

Mr-Mistah wrote:

I'm going to kill you

Sorry, Mr-Mistah    but threats are not tolerated here.

...
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af54 … mistah.png

I just won't try anymore...

Lucario621 wrote:

illusionist wrote:

Mr-Mistah wrote:

I'm going to kill you

Sorry, Mr-Mistah    but threats are not tolerated here.

...
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af54 … mistah.png

Luc, you are never getting on scratchchat again.

Lucario621 wrote:

Rebellion >:3

Iz so bad iz goooooood! XD