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#1 2009-11-25 23:57:24

Jonathanpb
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What exactly is an advanced topic?

I'm sort of confused. Where's the line between All About Scratch and Advanced Topics?

Just to explain something here... look at the Advanced Topics page. Don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit what the Advanced Topics description is? (If you're wondering, it says "Talk about technical aspects or advanced features".) And those topics don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like the definition for an advanced topic fits that anymore. It should be.

EDIT: Here's a post by Paddle2See.

Paddle2See wrote:

The line between the two topics is not well defined.   It's a judgment call.  Some topics are pretty easy to tell - if you want to discuss integrating Python with Scratch using the remote communication features - that's pretty clearly an advanced topic.  And if you want to know how to change the background of the stage using messages, that's probably something for All About Scratch. 

Just thinking about it now, maybe the line should be something like this:

Advanced Topics:
   * Extensions of Scratch - such as Chirp or BYOB
   * Integrating Scratch with other Software
   * Optimizing Scratch Projects
   * Scratch Projects that use Advanced Math or Computer Science techniques
     (High School or College level)
 
All About Scratch
   * Everything else (unless it deals with Sensor Boards or Show and Tell or
     one of the other categories)

That's just my quick from-the-hip shot at coming up with a definition...I'm sure other people will have other ideas...let's hear them!

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#2 2009-11-26 00:06:11

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Advanced Topics wrote:

Talk about technical aspects or advanced features.


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#3 2009-11-26 00:13:46

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

illusionist wrote:

Advanced Topics wrote:

Talk about technical aspects or advanced features.

Basically advanced things available in Scratch. Like arrays, features that you have found, stuff the new users wouldn't know about.


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#4 2009-11-26 00:13:52

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Okay, I'll put this in greater detail here.

Look at the Advanced Topics page... don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit that? And they don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like that. Though it should be.

Hmmm.


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#5 2009-11-26 00:16:10

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Jonathanpb wrote:

Okay, I'll put this in greater detail here.

Look at the Advanced Topics page... don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit that? And they don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like that. Though it should be.

Hmmm.

I see why you want to know now. I do see a lot of topics getting moved from there...


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#6 2009-11-26 00:18:40

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

adriangl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

Okay, I'll put this in greater detail here.

Look at the Advanced Topics page... don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit that? And they don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like that. Though it should be.

Hmmm.

I see why you want to know now. I do see a lot of topics getting moved from there...

What? My point was that plenty of topics in Advanced Topics don't fit the description... so I was asking. You're saying the opposite.


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#7 2009-11-26 00:25:23

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Jonathanpb wrote:

adriangl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

Okay, I'll put this in greater detail here.

Look at the Advanced Topics page... don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit that? And they don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like that. Though it should be.

Hmmm.

I see why you want to know now. I do see a lot of topics getting moved from there...

What? My point was that plenty of topics in Advanced Topics don't fit the description... so I was asking. You're saying the opposite.

Oh, now I get you. Yup, I have no idea why random things end up in advanced topics, I guess many more people have no idea.


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#8 2009-11-26 03:05:35

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

adriangl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

adriangl wrote:


I see why you want to know now. I do see a lot of topics getting moved from there...

What? My point was that plenty of topics in Advanced Topics don't fit the description... so I was asking. You're saying the opposite.

Oh, now I get you. Yup, I have no idea why random things end up in advanced topics, I guess many more people have no idea.

Often newbies don't know where to post at first, but look at all of those topics that don't belong in Advanced Topics! Most of those posters probably think "Well, my topic is advanced, because of [excuse goes here]!", and then post in Advanced Topics.


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#9 2009-11-26 12:02:36

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Like, I think that things like physics, complex lists usage and complex game development can be placed here, among things like "Programming for WeDo" or "What after Scratch?" topics.


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#10 2009-11-26 23:41:59

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Things like this are hard to explain in a definite way. Use your common sense, and think - is it just a problem that you can't fix? That goes in All About Scratch.


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#11 2009-11-27 00:00:15

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Yeah... but since a lot of topics in Advanced Topics aren't what you'd call an advanced topic, I wanted a definite answer.


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#12 2009-11-27 15:23:01

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Hacking the scratch source, that's an advanced topic.
Or anything having to do with the source code.
Also other programming languages beyond scratch belongs in advanced topics.
Those are a few things that come to mind.

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#13 2009-11-27 15:34:19

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

songhead95 wrote:

Hacking the scratch source, that's an advanced topic.
Or anything having to do with the source code.
Also other programming languages beyond scratch belongs in advanced topics.
Those are a few things that come to mind.

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#14 2009-12-04 08:20:26

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

adriangl wrote:

illusionist wrote:

Advanced Topics wrote:

Talk about technical aspects or advanced features.

Basically advanced things available in Scratch. Like arrays, features that you have found, stuff the new users wouldn't know about.

A problem with saying that is I've seen people asking how to make the sprite change costumes... So saying stuff that new users wouldn't know about kinda means a lot... I don't think you could say new users "understand" either because the person could have no knowledge of computers...


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#15 2009-12-04 13:29:06

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Jonathanpb wrote:

I'm sort of confused. Where's the line between All About Scratch and Advanced Topics?

Just to explain something here... look at the Advanced Topics page. Don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit what the Advanced Topics description is? (If you're wondering, it says "Talk about technical aspects or advanced features".) And those topics don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like the definition for an advanced topic fits that anymore. It should be.

The line between the two topics is not well defined.   It's a judgment call.  Some topics are pretty easy to tell - if you want to discuss integrating Python with Scratch using the remote communication features - that's pretty clearly an advanced topic.  And if you want to know how to change the background of the stage using messages, that's probably something for All About Scratch. 

Just thinking about it now, maybe the line should be something like this:

Advanced Topics:
   * Extensions of Scratch - such as Chirp or BYOB
   * Integrating Scratch with other Software
   * Optimizing Scratch Projects
   * Scratch Projects that use Advanced Math or Computer Science techniques
     (High School or College level)
 
All About Scratch
   * Everything else (unless it deals with Sensor Boards or Show and Tell or
     one of the other categories)

That's just my quick from-the-hip shot at coming up with a definition...I'm sure other people will have other ideas...let's hear them!

One thing I am pretty sure of....*this* topic is not Advanced.  Moving it to All About Scratch  smile


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#16 2009-12-04 14:56:24

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Paddle2See wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

I'm sort of confused. Where's the line between All About Scratch and Advanced Topics?

Just to explain something here... look at the Advanced Topics page. Don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit what the Advanced Topics description is? (If you're wondering, it says "Talk about technical aspects or advanced features".) And those topics don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like the definition for an advanced topic fits that anymore. It should be.

The line between the two topics is not well defined.   It's a judgment call.  Some topics are pretty easy to tell - if you want to discuss integrating Python with Scratch using the remote communication features - that's pretty clearly an advanced topic.  And if you want to know how to change the background of the stage using messages, that's probably something for All About Scratch. 

Just thinking about it now, maybe the line should be something like this:

Advanced Topics:
   * Extensions of Scratch - such as Chirp or BYOB
   * Integrating Scratch with other Software
   * Optimizing Scratch Projects
   * Scratch Projects that use Advanced Math or Computer Science techniques
     (High School or College level)
 
All About Scratch
   * Everything else (unless it deals with Sensor Boards or Show and Tell or
     one of the other categories)

That's just my quick from-the-hip shot at coming up with a definition...I'm sure other people will have other ideas...let's hear them!

One thing I am pretty sure of....*this* topic is not Advanced.  Moving it to All About Scratch  smile

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#17 2009-12-04 20:10:02

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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

gershmer wrote:

How would you define the Emerald discussion?

Since it's an extension to Scratch, I would say that it is Advanced  smile


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#18 2009-12-04 23:34:32

Jonathanpb
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Re: What exactly is an advanced topic?

Paddle2See wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

I'm sort of confused. Where's the line between All About Scratch and Advanced Topics?

Just to explain something here... look at the Advanced Topics page. Don't you see plenty of topics that don't fit what the Advanced Topics description is? (If you're wondering, it says "Talk about technical aspects or advanced features".) And those topics don't get moved... so it doesn't seem like the definition for an advanced topic fits that anymore. It should be.

The line between the two topics is not well defined.   It's a judgment call.  Some topics are pretty easy to tell - if you want to discuss integrating Python with Scratch using the remote communication features - that's pretty clearly an advanced topic.  And if you want to know how to change the background of the stage using messages, that's probably something for All About Scratch. 

Just thinking about it now, maybe the line should be something like this:

Advanced Topics:
   * Extensions of Scratch - such as Chirp or BYOB
   * Integrating Scratch with other Software
   * Optimizing Scratch Projects
   * Scratch Projects that use Advanced Math or Computer Science techniques
     (High School or College level)
 
All About Scratch
   * Everything else (unless it deals with Sensor Boards or Show and Tell or
     one of the other categories)

That's just my quick from-the-hip shot at coming up with a definition...I'm sure other people will have other ideas...let's hear them!

One thing I am pretty sure of....*this* topic is not Advanced.  Moving it to All About Scratch  smile

Paddle, thanks for the definition!

I suppose that there's no exact line between the two forums... hmm.


You moved my topic!  tongue  Well, I posted in Advanced Topics because it was discussing stuff about Advanced Topics. But All About Scratch fits as well, I suppose.

My first topic moved. *sniff*  tongue


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