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The 9 years old thing wouldn't work, as you could always just lie about your birthday.
This suggestion is a bit too much-- the system we have now works fine, but it may be updated when absolutely needed. Most of the ideas are absurd and are unnessecary-- for example, getting permission to post a topic? Having a character limit in posts? (What if you needed to explain a glitch or suggestion in full detail?) I do not support, for reasons already posted upthread.

Last edited by Mokat (2012-06-23 21:35:44)

chanmanpartyman wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

I've been Scratching for almost 11 months now and don't have a single user on my ignore list. Perhaps I'm just unusual in the sense that I resolve problems with the user and the Scratch Team, but nevertheless, I think it's okay for someone to not have anyone on their ignore list, it should be a tool, not a requirement. So, I don't think having a user on your ignore list should be required.

Also, I think the restrictions you mention are a bit too extensive. Posting topics should not require approval, but maybe only one topic per 6-12 hours?

6-12 minutes is even too extreme.

^This. With the new system in place where a post is reported 4 times and the user is temporarialy banned, commercial spammers or trolls get temporarialy banned until a moderator or admin comes on and unbans them/makes the ban permanent.
EDIT: Dunno 'bout you, but I post a topic in MaC at least like twice a hour. 

Last edited by Mokat (2012-06-23 21:41:59)

funelephant wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

I've been Scratching for almost 11 months now and don't have a single user on my ignore list.

Try 3 YEARS and not having one 

it all really depends on your personality and the personalities of those who you come into contact with

777w wrote:

funelephant wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

I've been Scratching for almost 11 months now and don't have a single user on my ignore list.

Try 3 YEARS and not having one 

it all really depends on your personality and the personalities of those who you come into contact with

Yeah...
Most of you probably have my personality wrong 

chanmanpartyman wrote:

Agentpieface wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

You know, why isn't this topic closed? There's like 15 people who are openly against it, and there's no way this will ever be adopted. People just keep going around in circles saying the same things, and we are going nowhere.

why are you so against this? we are allowed to discuss. that is what forums are for, believe it or not

He is discussing.

that post is not discussion, it isn't contributing to the discussion, and to be honest i think the only reasonable discussion that post could have generated is this one we are having right now.

who knows wes? maybe if we give and take a few of these rules this could be a suggestion that the scratch team would take under consideration and perhaps implement?

logiblocs wrote:

[rant]
SINCE WHEN DID AGE = SPAM. YOU SAY THAT THE POINT OF THIS IS TO REDUCE SPAM. I JOINED WHEN I WAS EIGHT. DID I SPAM? SPAMMERS ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT ATTENTION/CORPORATE LINKERS. NOT EIGHT-YEAR-OLDS.
[/rant]

So I do not support.

I have seen 12-year-olds post topics on forums that said "STOP IGNORING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I cried myself to sleep that night.

3sal2 wrote:

,a user on the Scratch Wiki that has made at least one edit, and one user on your ignore list.

Why would you have to ignore someone? And its really hard to get a Wiki account if you ARENT ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING ON THE SITE.

* Infant Scratchers cannot use the Block Plugin outside of Help with Scripts.

* Infant Scratchers cannot make posts longer than 256 characters. They'll have a count when making posts.

Why? Newer users are actually capable of making a good, long post.

* Infant Scratchers cannot view Scratch Suggestions.

-_- im not even gonna say anything

* Infant Scratchers cannot make topics without permission from a former Curator like Toasty, current/former moderators like illusionist or Lightnin, the current Curator, or a Scratch Team member like andresmh.

The mods already have a hard enough time with their job as-is.

* Infant Scratchers cannot use anonymous quotes.

The way FluxBB works, quotes cannot be classified.


I do not support.

3sal2 wrote:

To help keep more spammers at bay, I suggest a new rank: Infant Scratchers. To become a New Scratcher you must be at least 9 years old. If you're under 9, you will also need to have at least 1 comment, 1 project with at least one view, 1 favorite, 1 post, a user on the Scratch Wiki that has made at least one edit, and one user on your ignore list. You must also read the Community Guidelines. Your birthday info will be required. Here are some properties for the new rank:

* Infant Scratchers cannot post links on the forum to links .
* Infant Scratchers have the old 360-second rule instead of the 180-second rule for New Scratchers.
* Infant Scratchers cannot use the Block Plugin outside of Help with Scripts.
* Infant Scratchers cannot make posts longer than 256 characters. They'll have a count when making posts.
* Infant Scratchers cannot view Scratch Suggestions.
* Infant Scratchers cannot make topics without permission from a former Curator like Toasty, current/former moderators like illusionist or Lightnin, the current Curator, or a Scratch Team member like andresmh.
* Infant Scratchers cannot use anonymous quotes.

Does anyone support my suggestion?

I honestly don't see why we should add this.
Let me begin listing the numerous things that are completely wrong in this idea:

Firstly, the thing that says you must have at least one user on your ignore list goes completely against the attitude you're supposed to have towards other Scratchers to make our coexistence on this website as agreeable as possible. Obligating them to ignore other Scratchers for the simple reason of becoming "better" is completely absurd and only results in the encouragement of being completely rude to fellow Scratchers who have done nothing to you to simply be considered "one of us".

Secondly, this idea is one of the numerous ideas people invent to alienate newer and younger Scratchers just because they consider them to be "n00bs". We're supposed to welcome them, not ignore them. No matter how young or old one may be - no matter how much of a n00b they may be - no matter how much experience they may have here - they deserve the same respect as we do.

Thirdly, as many of you have said - there is no point in making new Scratchers make an edit on the Wiki, because they will most likely not be accepted as the wiki mainly consists of Scratchers with a lot of experience and knowledge of Scratch, which is something new Scratchers that are under 9 years old surely won't have upon joining.

Lastly, another factor many of you have cited, is that the moderators most likely won't have the interest to invest extra time on supervising younger Scratchers simply because someone made them an absurd request to do so. Their jobs are complicated and busy enough as it is.

So no, I don't support this idea.

I rest my case.

Last edited by CylonToast (2012-06-29 09:30:07)

TorbyFork234 wrote:

I support the idea of Infant Scratcher, but I don't support the ideas in the first post.
I think Infant Scratcher should be for the first 3 days you joined the forums.

Infant Scratchers can only post in New Scratchers, Help with Scripts, Questions about Scratch, Requests, Show and Tell, and Advanced Topics,Connecting to the Physical World,and FAQ, (if you don't want to look at the ones not included, here they are: Announcements, Project Ideas, Collaborations, Bugs and Glitches, MaC, and RaP).

The topics they can't post in would be read only. They would only have a 180 second rule.

@those who are saying that there's nothing new to the discussion: here's something new to the discussion.

A lot of spam I see is from users who have used the forums more than 3 days. So those iseas, while good, wouldn't help much. Also it really depends on the user... banning them from certain forums may not be good. Imagine if a new, very experianced programmer found a bug. What would they do?

And if we banned users from certain forums, they are likely to post the same topic in a different forum.

Last edited by Wes64 (2012-06-29 09:56:33)

Wes64 wrote:

TorbyFork234 wrote:

I support the idea of Infant Scratcher, but I don't support the ideas in the first post.
I think Infant Scratcher should be for the first 3 days you joined the forums.

Infant Scratchers can only post in New Scratchers, Help with Scripts, Questions about Scratch, Requests, Show and Tell, and Advanced Topics,Connecting to the Physical World,and FAQ, (if you don't want to look at the ones not included, here they are: Announcements, Project Ideas, Collaborations, Bugs and Glitches, MaC, and RaP).

The topics they can't post in would be read only. They would only have a 180 second rule.

@those who are saying that there's nothing new to the discussion: here's something new to the discussion.

A lot of spam I see is from users who have used the forums more than 3 days. So those iseas, while good, wouldn't help much. Also it really depends on the user... banning them from certain forums may not be good. Imagine if a new, very experianced programmer found a bug. What would they do?

And if we banned users from certain forums, they are likely to post the same topic in a different forum.

If a new experienced programmer found a bug, then, s/he would wait three days to post in Bugs and Glitches. I'm suggesting that not to prevent spam, but to be able to separate the posters who are here just to ask one question and be done with the forums from the people who actually use the forums.
After the three days, s/he would have to post in the fourth day+ to become a new scratcher, and then the process from new scratcher to scratcher begins.

Wes64 wrote:

TorbyFork234 wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

A lot of spam I see is from users who have used the forums more than 3 days. So those iseas, while good, wouldn't help much. Also it really depends on the user... banning them from certain forums may not be good. Imagine if a new, very experianced programmer found a bug. What would they do?

And if we banned users from certain forums, they are likely to post the same topic in a different forum.

If a new experienced programmer found a bug, then, s/he would wait three days to post in Bugs and Glitches. I'm suggesting that not to prevent spam, but to be able to separate the posters who are here just to ask one question and be done with the forums from the people who actually use the forums.
After the three days, s/he would have to post in the fourth day+ to become a new scratcher, and then the process from new scratcher to scratcher begins.

Ah, I see. 
But you could still go on the forums once, then 7 months later start using them for real. That's how I was, I posted one thing in October, then started using the forums 3 weeks ago. So I was still a noob, but I had the "Scratcher" status.

and my idea would prevent that from happening.

Wes64 wrote:

TorbyFork234 wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

Ah, I see. 
But you could still go on the forums once, then 7 months later start using them for real. That's how I was, I posted one thing in October, then started using the forums 3 weeks ago. So I was still a noob, but I had the "Scratcher" status.

and my idea would prevent that from happening.

Oh, so you'd have to use it continuously? Ah.

No, I said before that once you post in the fourth day, your bumped up to New scratcher and then the process from New Scratcher to Scratcher begins. Did you even read my idea?