Scratch

slinger · 2012-05-19 12:20:20

All programming languages are "code based".

coolhogs · 2012-05-19 12:45:15

I meant not a drag and drop language.

fanofcena · 2012-05-19 12:59:37

coolhogs wrote:
I need a programming language to learn that's not much harder than Scratch, but hard. Nothing too advanced.

Learn javascript its free syntax [ or loosely typed syntax is close to scratch and its epicly more powerful]

Here is why javascript

- Its fast [ it beats python , perl , java [yes java core ],php in speed by miles [removed] java is 150% slower then javascript and php is about 3000% slower then js ].
- Its simple
- Its the language of the internet
- Its maintained by web
- There is a nice and supportive community for javascript

Keep in mind JAVA is NOT JAVASCRIPT

JAVA AND JAVASCRIPT ARE LIKE CAR AND CARPET

JavaSCRIPT is the web-browsers language which has came out of browser recently :-) hppe that helps

Last edited by Paddle2See (2012-06-15 19:52:17)

coolhogs · 2012-05-19 15:44:01

fanofcena wrote:
coolhogs wrote:
I need a programming language to learn that's not much harder than Scratch, but hard. Nothing too advanced.
Learn javascript its free syntax [ or loosely typed syntax is close to scratch and its epicly more powerful]

Here is why javascript

- Its fast [ it beats python , perl , java [yes java core ],php in speed by miles [removed] java is 150% slower then javascript and php is about 3000% slower then js ].
- Its simple
- Its the language of the internet
- Its maintained by web
- There is a nice and supportive community for javascript

Keep in mind JAVA is NOT JAVASCRIPT

JAVA AND JAVASCRIPT ARE LIKE CAR AND CARPET

JavaSCRIPT is the web-browsers language which has came out of browser recently :-) hppe that helps

Could you provide a link to the download for Mac?

Last edited by Paddle2See (2012-06-15 19:52:37)

MoreGamesNow · 2012-05-19 16:29:04

coolhogs wrote:
Could you provide a link to the download for Mac?

You don't need a download, just a text editor and an internet browser.

open "text edit" and save it as a ".html". The, keeping the text editor open, open the saved file with an internet browser (sometimes you have to open an internet browser and then drag the file into the browser).

Type this into the text editor, and you have your basic structure:

Code:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<SCRIPT TYPE="text/javascript">
function startcode() // code in here will run when the page is loaded
{
// script goes here
}
// script can go here
</SCRIPT>
</HEAD>
<BODY onLoad="startcode();">
</BODY>
</HTML>

Last edited by MoreGamesNow (2012-05-19 16:31:17)

Harakou · 2012-05-19 20:14:21

coolhogs wrote:
I'm looking into a code-based programming language.

As in everything is done in text?

coolhogs · 2012-05-19 22:42:10

Yes, all of it.

Just an easy one like

when gf clicked
go to mouse pointer
...

Last edited by coolhogs (2012-05-19 22:43:35)

veggieman001 · 2012-05-19 22:46:53

There aren't really ones like that hmm

jvvg · 2012-05-19 22:47:23

MoreGamesNow wrote:
coolhogs wrote:
Could you provide a link to the download for Mac?
You don't need a download, just a text editor and an internet browser.

open "text edit" and save it as a ".html". The, keeping the text editor open, open the saved file with an internet browser (sometimes you have to open an internet browser and then drag the file into the browser).

Type this into the text editor, and you have your basic structure:
Code:
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<SCRIPT TYPE="text/javascript">
function startcode() // code in here will run when the page is loaded
{
// script goes here
}
// script can go here
</SCRIPT>
</HEAD>
<BODY onLoad="startcode();">
</BODY>
</HTML>

That HTML needs a doctype, and should be lowercase if you want to fit XHTML standards.

veggieman001 · 2012-05-19 22:53:39

jvvg wrote:
MoreGamesNow wrote:
coolhogs wrote:
Could you provide a link to the download for Mac?
You don't need a download, just a text editor and an internet browser.

open "text edit" and save it as a ".html". The, keeping the text editor open, open the saved file with an internet browser (sometimes you have to open an internet browser and then drag the file into the browser).

Type this into the text editor, and you have your basic structure:
Code:
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<SCRIPT TYPE="text/javascript">
function startcode() // code in here will run when the page is loaded
{
// script goes here
}
// script can go here
</SCRIPT>
</HEAD>
<BODY onLoad="startcode();">
</BODY>
</HTML>
That HTML needs a doctype, and should be lowercase if you want to fit XHTML standards.

You don't really need to fit standards though.

jvvg · 2012-05-19 22:55:09

veggieman001 wrote:
jvvg wrote:
MoreGamesNow wrote:

You don't need a download, just a text editor and an internet browser.

open "text edit" and save it as a ".html". The, keeping the text editor open, open the saved file with an internet browser (sometimes you have to open an internet browser and then drag the file into the browser).

Type this into the text editor, and you have your basic structure:
Code:
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<SCRIPT TYPE="text/javascript">
function startcode() // code in here will run when the page is loaded
{
// script goes here
}
// script can go here
</SCRIPT>
</HEAD>
<BODY onLoad="startcode();">
</BODY>
</HTML>
That HTML needs a doctype, and should be lowercase if you want to fit XHTML standards.
You don't really need to fit standards though.

You totally need to fit standards! A browser may display it, but it will probably not understand it that well. It also helps you rank higher in search engines if you have correct syntax (not to mention it gives you bragging rights tongue )

veggieman001 · 2012-05-19 23:12:44

jvvg wrote:
veggieman001 wrote:
jvvg wrote:

That HTML needs a doctype, and should be lowercase if you want to fit XHTML standards.
You don't really need to fit standards though.
You totally need to fit standards! A browser may display it, but it will probably not understand it that well. It also helps you rank higher in search engines if you have correct syntax (not to mention it gives you bragging rights )

I've never fit standards and never had a problem.

muppetds · 2012-05-20 03:18:04

slinger wrote:
All programming languages are "code based".

scratch isn't

slinger · 2012-05-20 03:58:04

Um, yeah it is. If it wasn't "code based" it wouldn't be a programming language. I think you mean "text based".

veggieman001 wrote:
There aren't really ones like that

+1
Python or Ruby might be the closest you can get tongue

Last edited by slinger (2012-05-20 03:59:07)

muppetds · 2012-05-20 05:55:26

slinger wrote:
Um, yeah it is. If it wasn't "code based" it wouldn't be a programming language. I think you mean "text based".
veggieman001 wrote:
There aren't really ones like that
+1
Python or Ruby might be the closest you can get

scratch isn't text based

Its a script based language AND a drag and drop one as well

slinger · 2012-05-20 06:02:11

Yeah but it's code based.

OldCodger · 2012-05-20 20:18:56

muppetds wrote:
slinger wrote:
All programming languages are "code based".
scratch isn't

Smalltalk is the base labguage of Scratch. When you program in Scratch you are just using a front end to Smalltalk. Download either Squeak or Pharo to try Smalltak directly.

MoreGamesNow · 2012-05-20 20:34:13

OldCodger wrote:
muppetds wrote:
slinger wrote:
All programming languages are "code based".
scratch isn't
Smalltalk is the base labguage of Scratch. When you program in Scratch you are just using a front end to Smalltalk. Download either Squeak or Pharo to try Smalltak directly.

I'm not sure I buy that. Every language is, at its base, in binary (or, if you don't count that, in assembly code). Basically every programming language is just a more user-friendly language that is, at its most basic components, assembly code. To say that an using an interface is the same as programming in the language it is written in is to say that we're programming in assembly when we use Scratch hmm

I would say that Scratch is a programming language, written in Squeak, and that Squeak is a programming language too.

Last edited by MoreGamesNow (2012-05-20 20:36:32)

coolhogs · 2012-05-20 20:42:49

i want a programming language that's like [scratchblocks).

OldCodger · 2012-05-20 21:10:10

What kind of things are you interested in?

coolhogs wrote:
i want a programming language that's like [scratchblocks).

If maths is your thing try StarLogo TNG. Mitch Resnick developed StarLogo before Scratch. StarLogo TNG uses blocks similar to Scratch. If you want to graduate you can try NetLogo which is much more sophisticated with lots of interesting models and is text based.

OldCodger · 2012-05-20 21:15:39

MoreGamesNow wrote:
OldCodger wrote:
muppetds wrote:
scratch isn't
Smalltalk is the base labguage of Scratch. When you program in Scratch you are just using a front end to Smalltalk. Download either Squeak or Pharo to try Smalltak directly.
I'm not sure I buy that. Every language is, at its base, in binary (or, if you don't count that, in assembly code). Basically every programming language is just a more user-friendly language that is, at its most basic components, assembly code. To say that an using an interface is the same as programming in the language it is written in is to say that we're programming in assembly when we use Scratch

I would say that Scratch is a programming language, written in Squeak, and that Squeak is a programming language too.

Well yes, at the bottom everything is in some assembly language, but very few people want to go that deep. If you do then there are languages which let you program in assembler when you need the extra speed: eg Forth.

mythbusteranimator · 2012-05-21 09:27:15

coolhogs wrote:
i want a programming language that's like [scratchblocks).

That is exactly what I am looking for, a text-based simple program like Scratch forum scratchblocks.

muppetds · 2012-05-21 12:08:32

MoreGamesNow wrote:
OldCodger wrote:
muppetds wrote:

scratch isn't
Smalltalk is the base labguage of Scratch. When you program in Scratch you are just using a front end to Smalltalk. Download either Squeak or Pharo to try Smalltak directly.
I'm not sure I buy that. Every language is, at its base, in binary (or, if you don't count that, in assembly code). Basically every programming language is just a more user-friendly language that is, at its most basic components, assembly code. To say that an using an interface is the same as programming in the language it is written in is to say that we're programming in assembly when we use Scratch

I would say that Scratch is a programming language, written in Squeak, and that Squeak is a programming language too.

I'm not saying scratch isn't a programming language but a drag'an'drop one

@topic Ruby?

schusteralex2 · 2012-05-21 14:41:25

I want to learn JavaScript, all I know right now is HTML and Scratch, is there anything else I need to know before I start hmm

(BTW, HTML is incredibly easy, I learned it in an hour)

coolhogs · 2012-05-21 14:47:19

OK, schusteralex2, how do you make a text document a website?

Scratch

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