Scratch

sparks wrote:

Short Answer: No.

Long Answer, You cannot profit from a Panther-based project because Panther itself is based on Scratch and therefore bound by the Scratch Terms-and-conditions. This states that any derivative of Scratch must remain open-source, credit Scratch and be bound by the creative commons liscence. Therefore any games you package and make cannot be sold, but they can be given away free, for example to promote your company.

Any derivative of the Scratch software.  As long as Scratch is credited, I think it might be legal.  I think we need an ST answer on this though; questions similar to this one come up a lot.

Scratch License file:

Scratch

Copyright (c) 2009 Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Scratch is developed by the Lifelong Kindergarten group at the MIT Media Lab.
See http://scratch.mit.edu

The Scratch logo and the Scratch cat are trademarks of MIT.

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and accompanying documentation and media files (the "Software") to distribute the Software, including the right to use, copy, publish, or distribute copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies of the Software.

If the software is published or distributed, the following statement shall be displayed in a visible place on a website or on distribution media such as CDs:

Scratch is developed by the Lifelong Kindergarten group at the MIT Media Lab.
See http://scratch.mit.edu
THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.

Last edited by Greenatic (2012-03-04 14:31:17)

I'm pretty certain it's still not allowed. You are distributing the Scratch derivative Panther with your game. The Panther2EXE simply runs the Panther image in a Squeak VM in fullscreen only. This means you are still distributing the Panther platform, even if editing the code is locked.

sparks wrote:

I'm pretty certain it's still not allowed. You are distributing the Scratch derivative Panther with your game. The Panther2EXE simply runs the Panther image in a Squeak VM in fullscreen only. This means you are still distributing the Panther platform, even if editing the code is locked.

But if you include a license against hacking open the software, there's no legal way to access the Panther interface within the .EXE, is there?   

EDIT: See Pecola1's post one up from here.

Last edited by Greenatic (2012-03-04 15:10:36)

I see.... Sell the game file, give away the program free. That's quite clever, and I would have seen it as loopholing if Paddle hadn't been happy with it 

nXIII wrote:

Yes, you can sell your panther project or do whatever else you want with it. If you distribute Panther with your project (so people can play without downloading Panther separately), you must follow the terms of the license regarding Panther itself, not your project. Your project can have whatever license you wish, including one in which you don't allow distributions and derivative works.

Hi,
I just realised your the head programmer for panther,
Do you think you will be able to explain in better detail what you said above,
Sorry to be a pest,

rookwood101 wrote:

What he's saying is that you can do whatever you want with the project file, such as obscure it, sell it for money or whatever, but you have to abide to what the panther/scratch license says about distributing the actual scratch program, which may mean putting it as a seperate and free download.

Actually, you don't have to even make it a separate download. What I meant above is that you can distribute, say, MyProject.zip, with these files

/Panther/Panther stuff…
/Panther/Source/Panther source…
/MyProject.exe
/MyProject.app
/MyProject.pt
/License.txt – your project's copyright notice and Panther's license, e.g.:

Copyright © Whoever 2012. All rights reserved.

MyProject is written in Panther, an open-source modification of Scratch from the MIT media lab.
Panther's copyright info and license...

Last edited by nXIII (2012-03-04 19:26:47)

Why would you sell it if you can very easily hack packed executables?

jji7skyline wrote:

Try using ToJar. It produces a very nice window.

Selling scratch projects is completely legal, but if you are using Panther, be sure to credit it somewhere 

As well as Panther2EXE 

And ToJAR. 

scimonster wrote:

Pecola1 wrote:

sparks wrote:

I'm pretty certain it's still not allowed. You are distributing the Scratch derivative Panther with your game. The Panther2EXE simply runs the Panther image in a Squeak VM in fullscreen only. This means you are still distributing the Panther platform, even if editing the code is locked.

I was ABOUT to say I agree, HOWEVER, P2S (new nickname for paddle2see) says otherwise! 

Its legal to sell the games on scratch, but not scratch itself, same with panther.

Scratch and panther's images are still free.

Shorter answer: You are selling the game file, the image and such come with it for free. 

P2S isn't a new nickname for him, lol.

And yep, that's what you're doing. 

I meant its new as in it was just made up in that post.    I made it up.. it could save some time! XD

kayybee wrote:

Pecola1 wrote:

scimonster wrote:

P2S isn't a new nickname for him, lol.

And yep, that's what you're doing. 

I meant its new as in it was just made up in that post.    I made it up.. it could save some time! XD

But I hope you realize many people have been using it before you...


And yes, you are supposedly allowed to sell games, but I don't think you'd want to. The knowledge should be a big enough reward.

I wish I could think of a way to sell them 

And yes, people have been using P2S for a long time 

I would say:

Yes, if you make it an exe file, with scratch2exe

Try to see if that works