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HD123 wrote:

Trolls are mean.

Yes but we need our [img] tags

CheeseMunchy wrote:

Oh i see, so they're gone forever.
Well that sucks. 

+1

We could increase the New Scratcher "time between posts" parameter again. That would be a good place to start.

As far as disabling image tags go, they've already been disabled once before, and after that the "New Scratcher" rank.

Maybe the first few posts of a new scratcher can be catalogued. In the mod/admin CP, there would be an option to [Review Scratchers].

Clicking the link on the CP sidebar would bring up a list of New Scratchers yet to be promoted [or banned, for obvious reasons]. Clicking a name would bring up a user's post history. After reading the log, the mod or admin has the option to promote or ban that scratcher.

This could also work for problematic users that have already been promoted; one can read through the logs and demote/ban that user.

I call this idea Project: Keep Tabs, if anyone wants to refer to this post.

fg123 wrote:

Vista4563 wrote:

We could increase the New Scratcher "time between posts" parameter again. That would be a good place to start.

As far as disabling image tags go, they've already been disabled once before, and after that the "New Scratcher" rank.

Maybe the first few posts of a new scratcher can be catalogued. In the mod/admin CP, there would be an option to [Review Scratchers].

Clicking the link on the CP sidebar would bring up a list of New Scratchers yet to be promoted [or banned, for obvious reasons]. Clicking a name would bring up a user's post history. After reading the log, the mod or admin has the option to promote or ban that scratcher.

This could also work for problematic users that have already been promoted; one can read through the logs and demote/ban that user.

I call this idea Project: Keep Tabs, if anyone wants to refer to this post.

I believe that this mishap was the result of images posted by people of the Scratcher rank.

I see. Consider me somewhat briefed on the matter.

However, IMHO I think this idea still has potential. Demoting users to New Scratcher rank revokes some of their privilages as a user. In conjuction with bans, this addition might be the tool we need.

mmww wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Servine wrote:

I respect your desicion, but...

@ The forums are now a bit more boring

Security always has a price.  I don't like having to use keys to get into my house and car all the time - but I lock them anyway because I think it makes them more secure.  It's unfortunate that everyone has to suffer because of the actions of a few individuals. 

Servine wrote:

@ Bye-bye Block Library

It's too bad about the block library.  Maybe it should be moved over to the wiki?

Servine wrote:

@ Everything is less attractive

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I've heard.  On the plus side, the pages will load faster and there won't be any more image spamming.

Servine wrote:

Couldn't we just upload the post, but until a mod looks at it, the tags are disabled.

We are happy to consider suggestions as long as they meet our security concerns and don't create a large drain on our moderation or development resources.  There's no feature in the current forum software for doing what you suggest.

Honestly no offense Paddle2see, but those kind of sound like cheezy excuses.... 

Nobody seems to see this post so im going to repost it.

mmww wrote:

mmww wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Servine wrote:

I respect your desicion, but...

@ The forums are now a bit more boring

Security always has a price.  I don't like having to use keys to get into my house and car all the time - but I lock them anyway because I think it makes them more secure.  It's unfortunate that everyone has to suffer because of the actions of a few individuals. 

Servine wrote:

@ Bye-bye Block Library

It's too bad about the block library.  Maybe it should be moved over to the wiki?

Servine wrote:

@ Everything is less attractive

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I've heard.  On the plus side, the pages will load faster and there won't be any more image spamming.

We are happy to consider suggestions as long as they meet our security concerns and don't create a large drain on our moderation or development resources.  There's no feature in the current forum software for doing what you suggest.

Honestly no offense Paddle2see, but those kind of sound like cheezy excuses.... 

Nobody seems to see this post so im going to repost it.

If you think it's a cheesy excuse, you can try to prove the ST wrong and design a forum software that that is capable of doing that. 

In all seriousness, some things are easier said than done. A lot of the suggestions sound great, but there's currently difficulty in implementing them given the current forum software being used and the resources the Scratch Team has. 

Will image BBCode still work in signatures?

silvershine wrote:

ethancomputermad wrote:

Maybe...
1) New Scratchers Cannot Use the [url]tag
2) The user must have made 50 posts before using the [url]tag
3) The users account must be 1 month old before using the [url]tag

+1

The Scratch teams argument is a very fair one. While it is inconvenient that nobody can post images now, slightly annoying Scratch users is a much better option then the possibility of hurtful images. I do feel however that a system can be put into place. Images can be very useful, especially in collaborations, sharing project ideas, and expressing ideas.

Why did you change all mentions of the [img] tag to the [url]tag?

This is stupid!  Doesn't abuse of anything usually just result in warning -> temporary ban ->  permanent ban?

theres no point in keeping new scratchers from using the [url]tag
people can just copy and paste it

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:

Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. -__-"
It's obvious what group of individuals planned this out, and most of us know who it actually was. You guys really ned to run some IP checks; and as some of the use dynamic IPs simply email the accounts you suspect could end up attacking Scratch.
Just restrict image use with Scratchers you suspect could abuse the privilege?
I'm actually really angry that this happened; and this IS a punishment, not a 'precaution'. I could see why this would be implemented if troll attacks were regular; but they're really not.
I think mods (or volunteers) should just pre-approve images fro certain sites or just in general. ._.

I agree.
It's not like any of us did it, so why must we lose privileges. And yes, I know that you're not sure who did this attack, and if we put images back, they would return.
But I think we have a good idea who it was.

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:

Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. -__-"
It's obvious what group of individuals planned this out, and most of us know who it actually was. You guys really ned to run some IP checks; and as some of the use dynamic IPs simply email the accounts you suspect could end up attacking Scratch.

Not everyone signs up with a valid e-mail address. And dynamic IP's are somewhat hard to track down. And some use proxies. Some things are  easier said than done, this happens to be one of them. 

Just restrict image use with Scratchers you suspect could abuse the privilege?
I'm actually really angry that this happened; and this IS a punishment, not a 'precaution'.

I'd a imagine the karma system suggestion might work in this case (there's a thread about this somewhere in the suggestions forum), where the number of karma one has determines the forums privileges.

But even if there was a measuring stick of who can get posting privileges and who cannot - for this last case, the guilty account had no prior notifications, and from past posts there was no indication it will turn out sour (in fact, a lot of the pasts posts looked rather innocent or helpful). It kind of shows how someone can look to be a trusting account, and then pull off a Jekyll/Hyde moment.

I could see why this would be implemented if troll attacks were regular; but they're really not.
I think mods (or volunteers) should just pre-approve images fro certain sites or just in general. ._.

There isn't a forum system designed to allow pre-approve sites or images (I challenge you to find a forum system that does so already, one that's just as active as ours), some forums go so far as to ban site links and images altogether because of trolling cases like that.

I don't like it either, but I think at least having this in temporarily until a viable solution is found is better than having links and images gone forever permanently as what happened on the route of other sites.