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I remember the good 'ol days on Scratch where you could browse through the top loved projects and find good games, and thats it. Now you see mutiple "Quitting Projects" or even Threats to leave if they dont get enough love its. What is the Scratch team going to do? Was Scratch meant to be filled with 1 Sprite 1 Script projects about quitting? Are these projects finally going to get deleted? I mean they dont actually break the terms of use, but they sure don't actually work as a "Project." They also misuse the purpose of the love it button. The love it was made to show that your project was of high quality. Now it is simply a popularity contest. Is the Scratch team going to make a decision about these projects, or will they stay on Scratch forever?
Last edited by newareagle (2008-07-29 23:14:40)
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It's a difficult decision. I am more in favor of freedom of expression as long as the project doesn't hurt anyone or contains inappropriate content. Certainly there are more than one project with some idea or view that I do not agree with but I don't think just because we don't like something it should be removed.
On the other hand I do not like these kind of projects to make it to the front page so we are going to make an effort to prevent that from happening. If a project of that nature makes it to the front page we will not delete it but it will be taken down from the front page.
Finally, I'd suggest ignoring such projects since paying attention to them only validates them even more.
What do you think?
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andresmh wrote:
It's a difficult decision. I am more in favor of freedom of expression as long as the project doesn't hurt anyone or contains inappropriate content. Certainly there are more than one project with some idea or view that I do not agree with but I don't think just because we don't like something it should be removed.
On the other hand I do not like these kind of projects to make it to the front page so we are going to make an effort to prevent that from happening. If a project of that nature makes it to the front page we will not delete it but it will be taken down from the front page.
Finally, I'd suggest ignoring such projects since paying attention to them only validates them even more.
What do you think?
I Agree with you. I believe the front page should be held for projects which DESERVE to be there. Also the top loved section of the website is a very prestigious place to be close to the front page on. Now many quitting projects are getting close to those prestigious spots. Also I am fine with quitting projects as long as they don't advertise giving them love its or views. I believe it is misusing the system, and that there should be a rule in which: You are not allowed to force or ask people to hit love-it/favorite/view/etc. your project.
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I don't think the front page should be cared about so much. If these projects get on the front page, just ignore them. Getting lots of love-its or achieving front page does not make you a better programmer. People should program because they enjoy it- not to get love-its or anything of the sort.
I think people should be free to ask for love-its; it just shows that they care more about love-its than learning to program. Other people don't have to listen to their pleading. Many people ask for love-its to show that they are "appreciated" because they find that they can't get many love-its otherwise. They make those projects to feel good- because they think that they've achieved something great.
As long as these projects follow the rules, they should be allowed to be made.
In my opinion, the good old days were around December and January.
Last edited by Zelda123 (2008-07-30 15:17:14)
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Zelda123 wrote:
I don't think the front page should be cared about so much. If these projects get on the front page, just ignore them. Getting lots of love-its or achieving front page does not make you a better programmer. People should program because they enjoy it- not to get love-its or anything of the sort.
I think people should be free to ask for love-its; it just shows that they care more about love-its than learning to program. Other people don't have to listen to their pleading. Many people ask for love-its to show that they are "appreciated" because they find that they can't get many love-its otherwise. They make those projects to feel good- because they think that they've achieved something great.
As long as these projects follow the rules, they should be allowed to be made.
In my opinion, the good old days were around December and January.
I think that the front page is an important tool on Scratch. It allows peoples projects to be a criticized, and then fixed to be even greater. If you had a quitting project on the front page thats one less person who feels accomplished and gets good feedback. For example: I made a project explaining I needed help with one of my HUGE projects. I noticed it was on top viewed, so i deleted it immediately. I really would like to see projects that deserve to be there, be there. There is no reason for a piece of text to be getting views, and love, but no criticism. As Mitchel Resnick said, Scratch is a tool for kids to learn to share and create based on others work (Remixing). The fact is, a quitting project usually doesnt help anyone be creative and make a great project. (other than another quitting project.)
Also I think the good old days were right when I started playing, and then they ended abruptly, when redsooty9 got the idea of creating a quitting project. Now those type of projects are spreading like a disease.
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newareagle wrote:
Zelda123 wrote:
I don't think the front page should be cared about so much. If these projects get on the front page, just ignore them. Getting lots of love-its or achieving front page does not make you a better programmer. People should program because they enjoy it- not to get love-its or anything of the sort.
I think people should be free to ask for love-its; it just shows that they care more about love-its than learning to program. Other people don't have to listen to their pleading. Many people ask for love-its to show that they are "appreciated" because they find that they can't get many love-its otherwise. They make those projects to feel good- because they think that they've achieved something great.
As long as these projects follow the rules, they should be allowed to be made.
In my opinion, the good old days were around December and January.I think that the front page is an important tool on Scratch. It allows peoples projects to be a criticized, and then fixed to be even greater. If you had a quitting project on the front page thats one less person who feels accomplished and gets good feedback. For example: I made a project explaining I needed help with one of my HUGE projects. I noticed it was on top viewed, so i deleted it immediately. I really would like to see projects that deserve to be there, be there. There is no reason for a piece of text to be getting views, and love, but no criticism. As Mitchel Resnick said, Scratch is a tool for kids to learn to share and create based on others work (Remixing). The fact is, a quitting project usually doesnt help anyone be creative and make a great project. (other than another quitting project.)
Also I think the good old days were right when I started playing, and then they ended abruptly, when redsooty9 got the idea of creating a quitting project. Now those type of projects are spreading like a disease.
I agree; criticisim does help. My point, was, that people should not be programming for popularity. Each person will have their own idea of what was the good old days, as everyone joined in different times.
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I completely agree. About fifty thousand people are quitting every day (exxaduration) just for the sake of fame. They make a project with no sprites, no scripts, and two words - "I'm quitting" - then "quit". But as soon as their project gets up to top viewed, they suddenly come back. Strange coincidence?
Once, when some person (I forget who) was quitting, they got so much attention that they got other projects up to the front page. People played them and were like, "WOW!" even though a lot of other projects were a whole lot better. Before they had said that they were quitting, I had commented on one of their projects. One of my friends who didn't know about this user was like (in person), "who's (user)?" Somebody nearby said "Oh, the best on Scratch". I completely protested. A perfect example of why somebody would use this ploy.
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