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sanddude wrote:

ssss wrote:

PlutoIsHades wrote:

Well, I'm kind of confused on why the Emo topic was closed, cause I don't think it was really a flame war.

I thought it was more of a discussion, not even a debate.

I started explaining that they had the completely wrong idea (bias much? I'm emo & think I know what one is) about what emo actually was, and telling them the term shouldn't have been created at all. Then they start telling me I'm wrong (which 5 minutes of research would prove I'm not), (again, bias towards your own opinion. I looked up emo ages ago and it is 'one that is into emotional music and other characteristis include introverted behaviour and depression', AKA me) and insult my musical taste (didn't insult, just stated we did not like the band you liked. There's a difference ._.), and then Tonks tries to break things up, and then they go and tell him he's wrong (which, again he's not), and just when TDD was going to post a (inaccurate) rant about how The Black Parade (My Chemical Romance's third studio album) is emo (which if that's emo, Metallica is an ambient polka band), but before that, the thread was closed. All this time, XD was being ridiculously overused by one user.

That's how it happened. It didn't even get that heated. If it got to the point of name-calling and saying nasty things about people, then it should be closed, but it didn't get that far, and was probably not going to for a while. And it's sad, because I still had a lot to say.

I'm sorry, but what's wrong with using the XD smiley? How is that relevant to whether or not a debate will cause a fight? >.>

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The red part, how do you know I'm 'wrong' (siince when are opinions wrong, they're opinions!) before I'd even posted? >.> If you're that bothered about the topic, request re-opening. I'll happily fight my corner through debate, not fighting :L Bring it on.

Oh yeah, and just about to look at the poll results again.

About the poll, who voted for the 'Scratch is Corrupt' option 225 times on a proxy? Not cool >.> And the views on it are obvious, hope the mods see it. Meh.

Last edited by The_Dancing_Donut (2011-10-17 10:59:45)

They do what mod are supposed to do

cheddargirl wrote:

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:

About the poll, who voted for the 'Scratch is Corrupt' option 225 times on a proxy? Not cool >.> And the views on it are obvious, hope the mods see it. Meh.

Well I saw it. Looking at the options, I don't think anyone has made that connection that, since Scratch is open to all ages and backgrounds, the rules are stricter here than on other websites largely for that reason. It's kind of like how different places have different rules because of the purpose of usage of that location - for example, libraries will have strict rules on noise level because it's mainly a place of reading and studying whereas a public park is less likely to have that kind of rule since it's just a place to hang out and talk and play. So if you want to talk loudly, then you don't go to a library, you go to the park (and if you go to the library and talk loudly or loud enough to disturb people, then expect to be reprimanded by the library staff). Not to mention I'd certainly like for people to imagine the material that mods had to go through before the Miscellaneous Guidelines were officially put up and the rules were a little more lax - Miscellaneous wasn't a pretty sight back then, the past kind of gives some more insight in understanding why mods do what they do whenever a certain situation is encountered.

Although, at the same time, I can't take the poll very seriously. For one thing its way too open it's way too open and subject to being trolled by outside users who might not even go on Scratch anymore or who have been banned from Scratch and has a beef with the moderators. Two, personally, I don't think it has all the possible options (if there was an option called "other", I would have ticked that off and typed in that mods only close debates topics when they start to fail to become a good debate anymore and become a negative argument and exhibit behavior that goes against Community and Miscellaneous Guidelines). 

:L
Um, okay.
So what about if I created a topic asking the questions, so that only Scratch members can reply?

rabbit1131 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:

About the poll, who voted for the 'Scratch is Corrupt' option 225 times on a proxy? Not cool >.> And the views on it are obvious, hope the mods see it. Meh.

Well I saw it. Looking at the options, I don't think anyone has made that connection that, since Scratch is open to all ages and backgrounds, the rules are stricter here than on other websites largely for that reason. It's kind of like how different places have different rules because of the purpose of usage of that location - for example, libraries will have strict rules on noise level because it's mainly a place of reading and studying whereas a public park is less likely to have that kind of rule since it's just a place to hang out and talk and play. So if you want to talk loudly, then you don't go to a library, you go to the park (and if you go to the library and talk loudly or loud enough to disturb people, then expect to be reprimanded by the library staff). Not to mention I'd certainly like for people to imagine the material that mods had to go through before the Miscellaneous Guidelines were officially put up and the rules were a little more lax - Miscellaneous wasn't a pretty sight back then, the past kind of gives some more insight in understanding why mods do what they do whenever a certain situation is encountered.

Although, at the same time, I can't take the poll very seriously. For one thing its way too open it's way too open and subject to being trolled by outside users who might not even go on Scratch anymore or who have been banned from Scratch and has a beef with the moderators. Two, personally, I don't think it has all the possible options (if there was an option called "other", I would have ticked that off and typed in that mods only close debates topics when they start to fail to become a good debate anymore and become a negative argument and exhibit behavior that goes against Community and Miscellaneous Guidelines). 

I've used these polls a long time. And unfortunately you can't have an "other" option because people type in inappropriate things...

That's EXACTLY why I didn't add 'other' as an option... :s

melikecheese wrote:

PlutoIsHades wrote:

melikecheese wrote:

I have a feeling this may be long so prepare yourself...

Okay, first of all, I haven't seen any topics being closed that I thought shouldn't have been. So, if you could give me some links, I might reconsider some parts of this.

The mods are volunteers that are giving up their own time to help the scratch community, they're not being paid to do it but are still trying to do the best they can. When a topic comes up that could result in a flame war, the mods have to make a decision about closing it. If you think about it, they don't really have much to help them make that decision, they can see what you've written but it is often difficult to tell whether you're calmly writing a response or getting really angry. Also, I highly doubt the mods are closing topics just for the fun of it as that would be abusing their duty as a moderator. So I think you're being a bit harsh as they're giving up their own time and trying to help :\

You have also stated that "debates" are often closed. This is because mods want to close things before they turn into an argument with people saying things they shouldn't. Prevention is better than cure so it kind of makes sense why they might do that.
The guidelines for the miscellaneous forum says:
Don't create topics that have a strong likelihood of creating arguments
So the actual rules are to not make topics that could easily turn into an argument.

Why is this? I'm sure you all know that there are many different people on scratch, and some people may be less mature and unable to control themselves as well as others. If such a person found one of these "debate" threads, it could quickly turn into an argument with people just insulting each other and if there are no mods online, it could easily turn really nasty. But don't think I'm calling anyone immature, many scratchers have proved that they are perfectly capable of having a contolled debate. If, however, they were allowed to do this on scratch, I think you can work out what would happen. So, as mature people, we need to take responsibilty for our posts and ensure that they won't cause arguments or upset anyone who reads them.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't have debates because they do help people to become aware of the veiws of others and are a part of life. If you wish to, there is nothing to stop you taking your debates elsewhere, that means you will stay out of trouble on scratch and prevent other scratchers getting into trouble.

Not all debates will turn flamey, and the mods need to respect that.  You said there are "many different people" on Scratch.  I agree.  But this is what makes different opinions and it's important to voice and debate opinions.

That is true, but I don't think it's a good idea to wait for a thread to become flamey before it is closed. Plus, some people may not be able to handle debate topics in a sensible way, especially younger people who often don't know how to reply to things politely. But, as I said before, I haven't seen any topics that have been closed unfairly so some specific examples would be helpful.

The youngest Misc-forumer I know(correct me if I'm wrong) is seven or eight.  Seven and eight year olds aren't babies.  They know the difference between right and wrong.

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:

sanddude wrote:

ssss wrote:

I thought it was more of a discussion, not even a debate.

I started explaining that they had the completely wrong idea (bias much? I'm emo & think I know what one is) about what emo actually was, and telling them the term shouldn't have been created at all. Then they start telling me I'm wrong (which 5 minutes of research would prove I'm not), (again, bias towards your own opinion. I looked up emo ages ago and it is 'one that is into emotional music and other characteristis include introverted behaviour and depression', AKA me) and insult my musical taste (didn't insult, just stated we did not like the band you liked. There's a difference ._.), and then Tonks tries to break things up, and then they go and tell him he's wrong (which, again he's not), and just when TDD was going to post a (inaccurate) rant about how The Black Parade (My Chemical Romance's third studio album) is emo (which if that's emo, Metallica is an ambient polka band), but before that, the thread was closed. All this time, XD was being ridiculously overused by one user.

That's how it happened. It didn't even get that heated. If it got to the point of name-calling and saying nasty things about people, then it should be closed, but it didn't get that far, and was probably not going to for a while. And it's sad, because I still had a lot to say.

I'm sorry, but what's wrong with using the XD smiley? How is that relevant to whether or not a debate will cause a fight? >.>

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The red part, how do you know I'm 'wrong' (siince when are opinions wrong, they're opinions!) before I'd even posted? >.> If you're that bothered about the topic, request re-opening. I'll happily fight my corner through debate, not fighting :L Bring it on.

Oh yeah, and just about to look at the poll results again.

What emo originally meant isn't an opinion. If you look up "emo" on Wikipedia, it clearly says "It originated in the mid-1980s hardcore punk movement of Washington, D.C., where it was known as "emotional hardcore" or "emocore" and pioneered by bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace".

If you are seriously calling Fall Out Boy hardcore punk in a non-sarcastic statement, then you don't know what hardcore punk is. Although, My Chemical Romance's first album was post-hardcore, it's a different kind that's very far from the mid-80's emotional hardcore bands. And in Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge, they moved away from post-hardcore to more of a pop-punk/alternative rock style, with the style only being shown in one or two songs. And no way is The Black Parade or Danger Days hardcore

But the word shouldn't have existed anyway. I mean there are musicians in all genres that are emotional, so why did they do it for hardcore? Metallica had some pretty emotional lyrics, so why didn't they create "emotional metal". Tupac had some pretty emotional lyrics, so why didn't they create "emotional hip hop". It's just freaking ridiculous. I wish the term a slow and painful death.

PlutoIsHades wrote:

Emo topic got closed again! 
I still don't get it!  The discussion WAS related to the topic!

Did you even look at the closing comment?  I closed it to clean it up.

i really don't understand why people think topics are getting closed for no reason
while some debate is healthy, they're really just trying to prevent flame wars and clean stuff up
they are volunteering their time, and they have good judgement
if you have a problem with a specific topic, just contact the st

*gasps* Paddle posted in misc!

I see a few posts in this topic that could definitely break the record for the longest whiny post on the Forums.... I'll have to check today. ^,^

Meanwhile, you little rebels might want to do a bit of explaining and... example-ing. >.> You see.... for some odd reason, I can't seem to find any of either of those in here. Am I just missing it? Strange.... ^^


.....Alright, alright. I'm just messing with you guys. xD I can't help it, you're just too cute and fuzzy. x3 So, to put it in a nicer manner, please do what demosthenes said and just tell us what made you think that the Scratch mods are so bad and evil (other than the fact that I like eating mortals and destroying universes. That doesn't count. ^^).

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