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I'm eating a chicken strip, like, right now.

ssss wrote:

AnimeCreatorArtist wrote:

ssss wrote:

I wasn't going to reply, but I can tolerate this no longer.

A debate is different from a fight. I think of a debate as friendly sharing an opposite opinion. A fight would be a mindless, offensive battle over a useless, trivial opinion of disagreement.



..........♪Try to see it my way. We can work it out. We can work it out. Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting, my friend. I'll try to see it your way. We can work it out, We can work it out.....♪

Actually, a debate is a fight.  It's simply a controlled fight.

And it's a fight with a point. It's more logically argued than a normal fight. Normal fighting is when you just say things you don't mean, and debating is saying what you believe in.    And what you believe in may not be the same as other people, and you may begin to question that. Fights should be closed, obviously. Debates, on the other hand, I think should be MONITORED, but not closed until they turn into fights.

Last edited by Musicstar888 (2011-10-16 10:58:36)

AnimeCreatorArtist wrote:

Most of what you said there doesn't apply with the Miscellaneous Forums, so your argument is invalid... Just saying...

I thought it was valid, because I couldn't see you specifying the Miscellaneous forum in your complaint, only the forums in general.  Was I mistaken??

Furthermore, young Scratchers can access the Miscellaneous forums just as easily as older ones.  The "marshmallow" argument doesn't make sense.  It seems to concede that debates are bad for young scratchers, but that since they'll grow up eventually it doesn't matter.  Is my analysis way off?

Last edited by MoreGamesNow (2011-10-16 16:01:19)

Alternatives wrote:

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:

Alternatives wrote:

I'm eating a chicken strip, like, right now.

...how nice c:

So... does that chicken strip affect the mod's decisions when deciding whether or not to close topics? XDD

No, but it needed to be said.

YES! Yes, it actually does!

Mods are lured towards chicken strips. And so am I. 

Topics automaticly close after 2 weeks in misc. 

I have a feeling this may be long so prepare yourself...

Okay, first of all, I haven't seen any topics being closed that I thought shouldn't have been. So, if you could give me some links, I might reconsider some parts of this.

The mods are volunteers that are giving up their own time to help the scratch community, they're not being paid to do it but are still trying to do the best they can. When a topic comes up that could result in a flame war, the mods have to make a decision about closing it. If you think about it, they don't really have much to help them make that decision, they can see what you've written but it is often difficult to tell whether you're calmly writing a response or getting really angry. Also, I highly doubt the mods are closing topics just for the fun of it as that would be abusing their duty as a moderator. So I think you're being a bit harsh as they're giving up their own time and trying to help :\

You have also stated that "debates" are often closed. This is because mods want to close things before they turn into an argument with people saying things they shouldn't. Prevention is better than cure so it kind of makes sense why they might do that.
The guidelines for the miscellaneous forum says:
Don't create topics that have a strong likelihood of creating arguments
So the actual rules are to not make topics that could easily turn into an argument.

Why is this? I'm sure you all know that there are many different people on scratch, and some people may be less mature and unable to control themselves as well as others. If such a person found one of these "debate" threads, it could quickly turn into an argument with people just insulting each other and if there are no mods online, it could easily turn really nasty. But don't think I'm calling anyone immature, many scratchers have proved that they are perfectly capable of having a contolled debate. If, however, they were allowed to do this on scratch, I think you can work out what would happen. So, as mature people, we need to take responsibilty for our posts and ensure that they won't cause arguments or upset anyone who reads them.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't have debates because they do help people to become aware of the veiws of others and are a part of life. If you wish to, there is nothing to stop you taking your debates elsewhere, that means you will stay out of trouble on scratch and prevent other scratchers getting into trouble.

MoreGamesNow wrote:

AnimeCreatorArtist wrote:

Most of what you said there doesn't apply with the Miscellaneous Forums, so your argument is invalid... Just saying...

I thought it was valid, because I couldn't see you specifying the Miscellaneous forum in your complaint, only the forums in general.  Was I mistaken??

What the...? We're not even talking about the same thing anymore. I guess I didn't specify the Misc. Forums, but that could be assumed. Also, your talking about programming and the entire site itself. I'm only talking about the forums... which was clearly stated.

AnimeCreatorArtist wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

AnimeCreatorArtist wrote:

I'm feeling as if mods are closing topics as soon as they turn into a debate; calling them 'A flame war' or 'A fight' I don't think its fair. I'm sure its not breaking any of the forum rules....

what are your thoughts on this?

You do realize you can contact the Scratch Team if you think a thread was closed unfairly... right? 

In all due respect, it wasn't my intention to revive a single closed topic, or even as far as every unnecessarily closed topic yet. I simply plan to bring you to a new realization.

A considerate ammount of mod closings nowadays, seem like a "[Mod Username] Wuz Here" boredom solution.

I'm not discriminating any mods when I say these things. I really do respect mods too. All i'm saying is that in the near future, (this goes for all mods) think 'Does this really need to be closed?'...

But we always think of that question. 

Everytime a thread is reported for negative behavior, the mod or admin on at the time try to see who is the aggressor (if any), how bad the argument may be, if the thread can be clean up instead of closed, etc. ... in other words the question of "Does this really need to be closed" always crosses the mind of the moderator or admin who is on at the time, thread closing isn't taken lightly.

It sounds like you're unhappy with some thread closings. Again, feel free to contact the Scratch Team if a thread was closed unfairly and you think it could be reopened.

Luke121 wrote:

what do Mods do?

They mod.


Which means moderate.


In the giant clockwork that is Scratch, they're the lubricant that makes things run smoothly. lolwut?

laptop97 wrote:

Luke121 wrote:

what do Mods do?

Mod

thank you. Again. 

It is difficult for moderators to change their policies when no concrete examples are given. It would be of great help if you could provide some topics that you think were closed unfairly, and answer these questions:

-Why was it unfair?
-Would the topic have become a flame war?
-What was the topic adding to the community?

Also, remember the moderators are volunteers. We make judgement calls, and these are our decisions. We have no obligation to change our policies, but we may if you convince us they are somehow unfair.

Well, I'm kind of confused on why the Emo topic was closed, cause I don't think it was really a flame war.

ssss wrote:

PlutoIsHades wrote:

Well, I'm kind of confused on why the Emo topic was closed, cause I don't think it was really a flame war.

I thought it was more of a discussion, not even a debate.

I started explaining that they had the completely wrong idea about what emo actually was, and telling them the term shouldn't have been created at all. Then they start telling me I'm wrong (which 5 minutes of research would prove I'm not), and insult my musical taste, and then Tonks tries to break things up, and then they go and tell him he's wrong (which, again he's not), and just when TDD was going to post a (inaccurate) rant about how The Black Parade (My Chemical Romance's third studio album) is emo (which if that's emo, Metallica is an ambient polka band), but before that, the thread was closed. All this time, XD was being ridiculously overused by one user.

That's how it happened. It didn't even get that heated. If it got to the point of name-calling and saying nasty things about people, then it should be closed, but it didn't get that far, and was probably not going to for a while. And it's sad, because I still had a lot to say.