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I disagree. Anyone, be they straight or gay, black or white, Christian or Muslim, American or Mexican, has the right to feel proud of themselves.

veggieman001 wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

I disagree. Anyone, be they straight or gay, black or white, Christian or Muslim, American or Mexican, has the right to feel proud of themselves.

Sure it is but it doesn't mean any one group is better.

That's not what he's saying.  Jeff's saying that people can be proud of whatever they are, whoever they are.

sanddude wrote:

What is there to be proud of? You're attracted to both genders. And? Homosexuality/bisexuality is no big deal, but you're treating it like it is, which is only making your position worse.

Now, if you have a valid reason why they shouldn't be proud of themselves, argue against me, but you're not going to achieve anything with me.

Bump.

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:

To be honest, if we keep the discussion civilized and we are not in any way sexist, this discusion should be okay...

Gay people are friendly 

Huh true 

I'm unitarian so... I'm pro-homosexual and all that stuff. 

I know 5 or so gay couples. (Actually, 3 lesbians)

Bump.

Earthboundjeff wrote:

Unitarian...? Is that like Liberalism in the USA?

Uh... Liberalism is Liberalism in the US... Anyway look it up.

My family is liberal though.

Oh
I'm sorry if I offended you.

PlutoIsHades wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

I disagree. Anyone, be they straight or gay, black or white, Christian or Muslim, American or Mexican, has the right to feel proud of themselves.

Sure it is but it doesn't mean any one group is better.

That's not what he's saying.  Jeff's saying that people can be proud of whatever they are, whoever they are.

sanddude wrote:

What is there to be proud of? You're attracted to both genders. And? Homosexuality/bisexuality is no big deal, but you're treating it like it is, which is only making your position worse.

Now, if you have a valid reason why they shouldn't be proud of themselves, argue against me, but you're not going to achieve anything with me.

I definitely agree that people should be proud of themselves and feel self-worth regardless of their sexual orientation.

What I'm saying is that you shouldn't be SPECIFFICALLY proud for your homosexuality. I'm straight, and I don't go around say I'm proud of that. That's just what I am. Same for homosexuals and bisexuals.

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Earthboundjeff wrote:

You don't have to face the kind of opposition we do. We get bullied everyday by people we thought were our friends. Do some of us, our Parents disown is. We people trying to pass laws to negate our rights. We have entire religious groups devoted to making us feel terrible. We are attacked at every turn. Accepting who you are makes you stronger. When your comfortable with yourself, you feel secure enough to take on those who wish you would just die.

Also, what I hear you saying is:
"Everyone has the right to feeling self-word, except homosexuality.

I agree wholeheartedly, though I actually have no idea of my sexual orientation.
Too many people are against homosexuals, and so those homosexuals have to be especially proud of themselves.

sanddude wrote:

What I'm saying is that you shouldn't be SPECIFFICALLY proud for your homosexuality. I'm straight, and I don't go around say I'm proud of that. That's just what I am. Same for homosexuals and bisexuals.

Just because you don't show your pride doesn't mean others shouldn't.

Earthboundjeff wrote:

You don't have to face the kind of opposition we do. We get bullied everyday by people we thought were our friends. Do some of us, our Parents disown is. We people trying to pass laws to negate our rights. We have entire religious groups devoted to making us feel terrible. We are attacked at every turn. Accepting who you are makes you stronger. When your comfortable with yourself, you feel secure enough to take on those who wish you would just die.

Also, what I hear you saying is:
"Everyone has the right to feeling self-word, except homosexuality.

Err... did you even freaking read my post? I was saying that everybody should feel self-worth, including homosexuals. I just don't think they should be specifically proud of their homosexuality.

And also, if you're trying to make the LGBT community look strong, you crying and moaning about your problems isn't going to help. Go do something to change it, instead of making yourself look weak.