Scratch

BoltBait wrote:

I would like to hear from the Scratch Team:  In your opinion, was there any value in seeing those projects over just seeing the final project?

That's a hard question to answer definitively.

There could be value in allowing others to see more of the process that went into creating the project. I often get the sense that Scratchers assume that a complex well made project just leapt fully-formed from the mind of the creator. But high-quality projects take time and energy, so making more of the project's history or process available might help clarify this for Scratchers who don't have confidence in their ability to make a complex well designed project. It gives them a chance to see the mistakes and blind-alleys that their heros had to struggle through to make their awesome project.

But we could also make this visible by allowing Scratchers to view the "history" or "versions" of a published project - so this issue might be a bit different than private / public projects.

In any case, the consensus right now is that making works in progress visible is too problematic, so we're thinking that they'll be private. However, this means we have to do more security work on the back-end to prevent people from using Scratch in ways that could be dangerous or hurtful to kids or to the community / project. If ScratcherX makes an unpublished work in progress that's way too violent, and then shares their password with ScratcherY so they can view it, who is ScratcherY's mom going to blame for showing her kid a disturbing project that no one could see to flag?  Probably Scratch. And of course a worse scenario would be if an internet creep used a private channel to communicate with a kid.  Unlikely, but we have to design ways of preventing this.

So - the cost of having some portions of the site be private - even to the account owner alone - is that we have to do some work to prevent the sharing of accounts, which probably won't be as easy as one might imagine.

lilacfuzz101 wrote:

Lightnin wrote:

For one thing, it won’t be necessary to download and install Scratch to try it out.

Does this mean there won't be an app to download? I would like it if we had Scratch in the cloud and an app... I don't always have internet when I want to work on a project. Maybe there could be a feature to sync your Cloud projects with your computer...? I don't know how difficult that would be to program though... (I take CompSci so I understand a bit of this all    )

I think he/she means that it will run in a web browser, just not online. as in "Scratch.html" instead of "Scratch.image" 

Arrgh! Stop teasing us    I can't wait 

I really hope that mesh is included in Scratch 2.0 cuz I have a really good idea for a project ^^; If it doesn't have mesh, it won't work 

Last edited by samurai768 (2011-08-04 07:34:37)

I DON'T think scratchers should be able to see other scratchers projects before the project is finished, it would ruin the surprise.

I think there should be a button to "post as draft" meaning people can see the code and help you out, but it wouldn't be in the same place as your finished projects.

I dont think that people should be able to see other people projects, unless they're friends or something.
I have so many unfinished scratch projects, and some stuff i want to be a surprise to the community, that no, not unless they're friends.

I think that scratchers should chose whether or not others could see their drafts.

this is just a test
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The user should be able to choose whether that project could be seen as a draft or not.

When is the next blog update? We Scratchers have been waiting since July!

16Skittles wrote:

I think they should not.
Maybe there could be a beta test setting, where a randomly selected group of scratchers (everyone could join the beta testing queue) could see the program (they would sign up and select the tags that they're most interested in). This way, a few beta testers could see the project without showing it to the entire community.

Also, is there a scratch 2.0 screenshot that I can see and we can use for mockups?

I agree, only you should be able to pick the beta testers. And also, there's a screenshot on the wiki.

LFOB wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

I think they should not.
Maybe there could be a beta test setting, where a randomly selected group of scratchers (everyone could join the beta testing queue) could see the program (they would sign up and select the tags that they're most interested in). This way, a few beta testers could see the project without showing it to the entire community.

Also, is there a scratch 2.0 screenshot that I can see and we can use for mockups?

I agree, only you should be able to pick the beta testers. And also, there's a screenshot on the wiki.

This. And I REALLY want a screenshot.

In my opinion, it should be so that you can choose whether to allow people to see the project or not, when ur working on it. It could also be like when adding projects to a gallery, only people in scratch to see ur draft. (Eg: Friends list, ignore list, all scratchers.) This can allow for easy collabs, keeping projects secret, except for your friends (vise versa) Hope you take this into consideration 

Lightnin wrote:

"What do you think? Should Scratchers be able to see each other’s draft projects?"

I think it should be the scratchers choice on who they share there unfinished projects with. It will make collabs easier if it is all online. A offline version should be available too, maybe one which syncs with the online version.

Last edited by sara213 (2011-10-30 19:17:25)