Scratch

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 10:53:38

So, here's the situation. I posted a project called Epic RPG. It hadn't been finished yet, I still needed to add music and maybe enemies. But my friend remixes it and adds music and monsters as well. I contacted my friend and asked him to remove the project. He denied, and it turned into a big argument. He says that once a project is in the public domain, anyone can remix it, but I feel that if the original creator of the project asks a remixer to remove the remix, then it is his or her right to have the project removed. Who is in the wrong here? Me, for asking for the project to be removed, or him, for not removing it after I asked him to?

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 11:03:03

I'm angry about this because it's basically plagiarism.

Kileymeister · 2011-03-19 11:05:47

Is he telling people that you were the one who made the majority of it? The Creative Commons Act which Scratch acts under allows people to remix freely, but only if the original project creator is credited, so if he isn't doing that then you can report him to the Scratch Team.
I think also you should have the right to request a remix to be taken down, as long as the remix isn't a dramatic change from the original.

Last edited by Kileymeister (2011-03-19 11:19:56)

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 11:36:52

This is mine, the original one: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/MegaUltraChicken/1658619
And this is his: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/surfad/1664835

I do feel the similarities are too many, and as you agree,

Kileymeister wrote:
I think also you should have the right to request a remix to be taken down, as long as the remix isn't a dramatic change from the original.

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 13:03:17

Does anyone else feel the same way? Or different, for that matter?

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 13:16:26

I'm currently having a conversation on facebook with him.

Me: Take off epic rpg, it's my game. Music and monsters are coming in later updates. Please have it off by 11:00 tonight.

Him: credit went to you, to be honest i liked the idea of a collab, but still if your "later updates" are better than mine then people will use your version. i still think the best way to sort this out is a collab. sorry if i offended you.

Me: You did, and I afraid I will accept no form of ceasefire unless you take off Epic RPG. The best way to sort this out is for you to take Epic RPG off. 11:00 tonight. Or else. I do not care if credit went to me, I am asking you to take it off so I can get more views.

Him: if you download my latest version, then upload it under your own name
then you will get as many views, and i will take down my remix, i dont mind if i get veiws but i want my project online. deal?

Me: "I'm afraid I will accept no form of ceasefire unless you take off Epic RPG"
I want to work on Epic RPG myself, without any outside help.

Him: well i like working on remixing it, sorry for any offence but until you accept that I'm not going to reply to you

Me: "Kileymeister wrote:
I think also you should have the right to request a remix to be taken down, as long as the remix isn't a dramatic change from the original"
Your game is exactly the same as mine, apart from two minor differences. If you like working on remixing it, KEEP IT OFFLINE. This is incredibly unfair to me, I worked long and hard on that project.

I still feel he is in the wrong, but that's just me. Opinions? Preferably from a moderator.

Wolfie1996 · 2011-03-19 14:47:24

The remix looks OK to me - there are quite a few changes and there's credit given. You could still work on your project independently of the other person - it might be interesting to see how the two projects turn out, even though they started from roughly the same point. Or, you could work together - after all, they say that two heads are better than one. ^^

You might want to check out the License to play - it pretty much sums up how remixing works on the Scratch website. Basically, any project uploaded on the Scratch website can be downloaded, remixed and shared by anyone, as long as credit is given and the project produced doesn't go against anything in the Terms of Use. Hope this sheds some light on things ^^

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 14:59:16

Wolfie1996 wrote:
The remix looks OK to me - there are quite a few changes and there's credit given. You could still work on your project independently of the other person - it might be interesting to see how the two projects turn out, even though they started from roughly the same point. Or, you could work together - after all, they say that two heads are better than one. ^^

You might want to check out the License to play - it pretty much sums up how remixing works on the Scratch website. Basically, any project uploaded on the Scratch website can be downloaded, remixed and shared by anyone, as long as credit is given and the project produced doesn't go against anything in the Terms of Use. Hope this sheds some light on things ^^

Not really. He's my friend in real life, and I still feel that if the original creator asks for a remix of his project to be removed, surely it is in his Scratch Rights for the remix to be removed? Please explain this to me.

Wolfie1996 · 2011-03-19 15:05:59

MegaUltraChicken wrote:
Wolfie1996 wrote:
The remix looks OK to me - there are quite a few changes and there's credit given. You could still work on your project independently of the other person - it might be interesting to see how the two projects turn out, even though they started from roughly the same point. Or, you could work together - after all, they say that two heads are better than one. ^^

You might want to check out the License to play - it pretty much sums up how remixing works on the Scratch website. Basically, any project uploaded on the Scratch website can be downloaded, remixed and shared by anyone, as long as credit is given and the project produced doesn't go against anything in the Terms of Use. Hope this sheds some light on things ^^
Not really. He's my friend in real life, and I still feel that if the original creator asks for a remix of his project to be removed, surely it is in his Scratch Rights for the remix to be removed? Please explain this to me.

I'm not entirely sure on that one (I only moderate the forums)... maybe you could ask the Scratch Team about it on the Contact Us page - they might be able to tell you how it works... Sorry that I can't be of more help hmm

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 15:06:15

Or maybe you could add in a feature to disable remixes?
Like if you have a great idea for a game, but you find other programming software to fiddly and tricky to use, but don't want anyone changing anything about it. In fact, I'm going to post this in the suggestions thread.

MegaUltraChicken · 2011-03-19 15:12:48

Oh and thanks for the help Wolfie.

3DBlenderRender · 2011-03-19 15:59:08

Alright, I'm going to go on the side of your friend. You've released the project. If you didn't want him remixing it and "Stealing your Views", then you shouldn't have released it. For example, I made a game, and planned on releasing a Beta, but didn't want people to either steal the project, or the idea before I could finish.

I think this time, you friend is right. You already released to the public. He credited it to you. Just let it blow over, it's not such a big deal to risk a friendship over.
And besides, if you make an amazing new version, it will blow away the competition. You'll have views galore. Just make something truly amazing, and we'll all like it, and (speaking on the part of myself) will certainly check out.

Cheers, and good luck!
- 3DBlenderRender

floppy_gunk · 2011-03-19 16:06:13

If you don't want to do a collab, then I think the best thing to do is just let your friend keep the project online, and improve your own independently. As Wolfie said, it would be interesting to see how the two projects turn out.

Personally, I don't see the problem, if he does make changes and gives due credit. Just keep working on it anyway. Whatever changes he makes has nothing to do with your changes.

Scratch

archived forums

#1 2011-03-19 10:53:38

Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#2 2011-03-19 11:03:03

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#3 2011-03-19 11:05:47

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#4 2011-03-19 11:36:52

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

Kileymeister wrote:

#5 2011-03-19 13:03:17

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#6 2011-03-19 13:16:26

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#7 2011-03-19 14:47:24

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#8 2011-03-19 14:59:16

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

Wolfie1996 wrote:

#9 2011-03-19 15:05:59

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

MegaUltraChicken wrote:

Wolfie1996 wrote:

#10 2011-03-19 15:06:15

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#11 2011-03-19 15:12:48

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#12 2011-03-19 15:59:08

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

#13 2011-03-19 16:06:13

Re: Remixing projects, and the removing of them.

Board footer