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#1 2011-03-04 11:36:15

maxskywalker
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Hidden Secrets

What if we could right-click scripts and select "hide"?  I am working on a project, and I don't want people to just download my game and see the Cheat Codes and Plot Spoilers.

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#2 2011-03-04 14:01:56

Magnie
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Re: Hidden Secrets

Collapsing Scripts would be nice, but completely hiding something wouldn't be. What if some people just want to find it out so they don't have to figure it out. What if you got stuck in a part of a game and you couldn't find a way to move on? You'd probably search for some way to get past the area. Think of the players' side of view.  smile

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#3 2011-03-04 14:13:12

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Re: Hidden Secrets

How would you find the scripts if you wanted to change them?  tongue


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#4 2011-03-04 14:21:58

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Re: Hidden Secrets

fullmoon wrote:

How would you find the scripts if you wanted to change them?  tongue

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#5 2011-03-04 15:32:52

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Re: Hidden Secrets

fullmoon wrote:

How would you find the scripts if you wanted to change them?  tongue

How about right-clicking in the scripting area and one of the options would be "show all scripts"? Although, that would kinda defeat the purpose  tongue


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#6 2011-03-04 15:58:52

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Re: Hidden Secrets

jackrulez wrote:

fullmoon wrote:

How would you find the scripts if you wanted to change them?  tongue

How about right-clicking in the scripting area and one of the options would be "show all scripts"? Although, that would kinda defeat the purpose  tongue

Exactly. This is similar to a button that would lock downloads; it would just defeat the purpose of Scratch. As much as we don't like it when people look at the code to find secrets, it's no big deal. Plus there's something rewarding about digging through scripts for hidden things.  smile


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#7 2011-03-04 17:01:44

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Re: Hidden Secrets

All Scratch projects are supposed to be open source; hiding scripts would ruin that.  hmm


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#8 2011-03-05 00:13:05

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Re: Hidden Secrets

Here's an idea for you... just place another script on top of the script you want to hide.  It's not a perfect solution, but could fool all the people that don't know how to clean up their script window.


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#9 2011-03-05 08:05:17

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Re: Hidden Secrets

BoltBait wrote:

Here's an idea for you... just place another script on top of the script you want to hide.  It's not a perfect solution, but could fool all the people that don't know how to clean up their script window.

An enormous comment ought to do the trick!


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#10 2011-03-05 08:49:54

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Re: Hidden Secrets

fullmoon wrote:

BoltBait wrote:

Here's an idea for you... just place another script on top of the script you want to hide.  It's not a perfect solution, but could fool all the people that don't know how to clean up their script window.

An enormous comment ought to do the trick!

And it still works even if a user cleans up the scripts!  big_smile

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#11 2011-03-05 16:52:12

Jonathanpb
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Re: Hidden Secrets

But we shouldn't be trying to cheat Scratch's open source thingy  hmm


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#12 2011-03-14 17:23:15

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Re: Hidden Secrets

Just make a hidden sprite.  cool


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#13 2011-03-14 23:11:59

Ghostboy96
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Re: Hidden Secrets

I see what you're saying about not wanting people to see things like cheat codes and plot spoilers. But instead of hiding the script entirely, it would probably be a better idea maybe to blur the script? When you mouse-over the script, it would unblur, revealing whatever the script contained. This wouldn't necessarily be against Scratch's motto of "Imagine, Program, Share", but it would prevent spoilers from being seen.

Still kinda seems to defeat the purpose though...


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#14 2011-03-15 03:11:19

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Re: Hidden Secrets

Make your scripts needlessly and ridiculously complicated.

If the user in question manages to understand all the tons of script and locate the one which contain the cheat code, he deserves it.

For example, no one really cheats at 08jackt's games as he has thousands of scripts.


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#15 2011-03-15 05:51:59

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Re: Hidden Secrets

helltank wrote:

Make your scripts needlessly and ridiculously complicated.

If the user in question manages to understand all the tons of script and locate the one which contain the cheat code, he deserves it.

For example, no one really cheats at 08jackt's games as he has thousands of scripts.

unfortunately, most of them are needed  roll


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#16 2011-03-15 06:50:47

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Re: Hidden Secrets

You might want to read my guide - it explains tips on how to pwn the cheaters  big_smile


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#17 2011-03-15 14:35:39

LS97
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Re: Hidden Secrets

If this is all about cheats and spoilers, why not have a kind of lock facility instead? Basically, this would contain values which, once set, cannot be seen if taken out of their original script (even when put into a new one, unless identical).

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#18 2011-03-16 08:20:20

mathematics
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Re: Hidden Secrets

LS97 wrote:

If this is all about cheats and spoilers, why not have a kind of lock facility instead? Basically, this would contain values which, once set, cannot be seen if taken out of their original script (even when put into a new one, unless identical).

That's a good idea!

But again, that would make Scratch too complicated for young kids...

I said "again" because quite a number of suggestions were declined for that reason.

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#19 2011-03-16 08:42:54

LS97
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Re: Hidden Secrets

Young kids don't need to use that feature, do they?
Besides, it's hardly hard.

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#20 2011-03-16 09:26:57

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Re: Hidden Secrets

Many suggestions were declined just because they were too complicated. They said that it would be confusing to new Scratchers.

Last edited by mathematics (2011-03-16 09:27:31)

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