Scratch

Good idea/discussion!  Yes, we need a reliable way to group similar projects,
...so that we can do cool things like suggesting related projects.

That analysis of youtube is interesting, thanks!


Also,
This list of Content recommendation modules for another website system may inspire some ideas.

Yeah Lightnin, "People that loved this also loved..." can be good. 
It's also similar to Amazon's "People that bought this, also bought."  Their results are usually good and sometimes funny.


And yes, a big problem currently is that people that are already popular get more views, and projects that get more views get more love its.  it's a feedback loop.


I like many of your ideas but I don't think mandatory tagging would fix irrelevant tagging, which I think is a bigger problem.
I think if tagging was more relevant and helpful, people would use it more.

I believe the problem is:
The current tag system is not best for community tagging.
It's easy to game/spam.  One person can add an irrelevant tag (waffles) to a project to give it as much authority as any other added tag.  This is because projects are sorted by "love its" (and other things) instead of how relevant to the tag it is.

This encourages adding many tags to get more exposure. 
And contributes to to the need to become popular to get attention... instead of the original purpose of tags: grouping similar projects.

Also, there is little incentive for useful tagging.  (...unlike our "favorites" which provides a bookmarking utility to the scratcher.  Also "Favorited" projects become part of the user's identity: "things I like." so the user is more selective than with tags and love-its.)

The current tag system does not let the community determine tag value to content.

I've suggested this as a alternative to the tag system.  (and makes love-its, favorites, and galleries unnecessary.  It's a does the grouping, bookmarking, promoting, and collaborating on projects, in one connected system.)

Please take a look and critique.  It's in development now. 

Last edited by JTxt (2010-12-15 22:39:06)

TheSaint wrote:

mathematics wrote:

I think I've seen this suggestion before... *search* There's more than one, actually...

Link 1, Link 2, Link 3, Link 4

Yes, but each one of those threads died before its time. The issues weren't resolved, and there were quite alot of good ideas that went down with them. Thanks for providing the links though.

You can still post on them, though.

TheSaint wrote:

JTxt wrote:

Please take a look and critique.  It's in development now. 

This is certainly an interesting suggestion. My only concern is that it can be abused just like the normal tagging system. If everyone likes the waffle tag, then they will vote up for it, even if it isn't relevant to the topic. Unfortunatly, any type of tagging system won't work perfectly because people will try and game it.

So, how do we mimize this?

I answered you over here so I don't take your thread off topic too bad. 

one way to do this would be, if there aren't any 'major' tags, projects with similar names will show up.

i like the idea

mockup: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/scimonster/1487630

I support. Totally.

Great!

I absolutely support!

Bumpo. The Suggestions page is the 17th ranked. Lets bump that up!

Last edited by TheSaint (2011-01-04 08:25:56)

I don't know why I didn't support this sooner. People would be able to find lots of projects that they like, and do it quicker than trying to search for them. Nice idea! 

Lightnin said that they are now considering this suggestion. Thats great. 

"We've been talking about similar ideas in our design meetings lately, and most of us agree that this would be a great feature.    The tagging system on Scratch doesn't have the best information, so some are suggesting that we show projects that one's friends also liked instead. It's not clear what we'll end up deciding in the end, but we definitely want something like this idea in Scratch 2.0" --Lightnin

(Also, we are the 15th ranked suggestion.)

Last edited by TheSaint (2011-02-09 15:50:52)

TheSaint wrote:

Bumpo.

I still adore this idea. It could make so many projects popular!

i like it

I support!