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12three wrote:

He could be mean, but why was the game deleted?

The project was "deleted" as a result of deleting an account. There is no way to keep a project of a deleted account active. Even if there was a way, we believe that only people who follow the terms of use and are friendly to others have the privilege of sharing projects on this website. People can always put their projects somewhere else if they don't want to use this site.


* Replaced blocked for deleted. Thanks to TuffGhost for pointing that out.

Last edited by andresmh (2010-11-27 21:20:13)

TuffGhost wrote:

andresmh wrote:

12three wrote:

He could be mean, but why was the game deleted?

The project was "deleted" as a result of blocking an account. There is no way to keep a project of a blocked account active.

dude what are you talking about thats an outright lie

all of rhys original projects are still up

Ah, you're right. My mistake. The project was deleted as a result of deleting the account, not blocking it. We often delete accounts created to bypass the block of an account. That is what happened in this case. Thanks for pointing it out.

johndo77 wrote:

What about turntechgodhead?

What about him

Lightnin wrote:

There's been a thread recently asking why the Scratch Team chose to remove a project shared by an additional account made by Rhy to avoid the block on their original. Since it raises some concerns about how we make decisions in general, we thought we'd respond here.

In many ways, the TOU boil down to this: Don't be mean. That's really the main requirement for participating on Scratch. Rhy's original account, as well as a few that were created after that, were blocked for making disrespectful forum posts after multiple warnings. As is our policy when blocking accounts, we offered to unblock if the owner gave their word to be respectful, and follow the Terms of Use. Our response to Rhy after their original account was blocked ended with this:

"If you do decide you want to rejoin the community, and are willing to tone things down, let us know, and we can discuss unblocking your account. "

But we never received a response. In later messages, we also offered to unblock their account contingent on agreeing to be respectful, but each time they declined.

There's no question that Rhy is a talented programmer. But we don't feel that talent and programming ability are an excuse to treat people disrespectfully. We're happy to unblock accounts whose owners agree to be more respectful, but so far Rhy has not done that. Even if they chose to make that promise now, creating additional fake accounts to avoid the block, sending messages to try to mislead the site admins, and creating offsite content that attacks members of the community make it that much harder to take people at their word. So even given a promise to be more respectful, Rhy's account will not be unblocked anytime soon. As is our general policy, until we can come to an agreement with the owner of the original account that got blocked, any additional accounts they create will also be blocked or removed.

We know that some of you will be disappointed with this decision, but we feel it's important that we're consistent in our requirement that Scratchers be respectful.

If you have questions, you can post them below.

You're not the Lightnin that I know.
You gave out a Scratcher's name in a way that's not good.

Oh, that

Yeah I'd like an explanation for that too
But they probably aren't going to give us one, seeing that it isn't really our business

TuffGhost wrote:

andresmh wrote:

TuffGhost wrote:

dude what are you talking about thats an outright lie

all of rhys original projects are still up

Ah, you're right. My mistake. The project was deleted as a result of deleting the account, not blocking it. We often delete accounts created to bypass the block of an account. That is what happened in this case. Thanks for pointing it out.

dude it isnt deleted either

like i can visit his userpage its right here

The account is deleted. Deleted accounts are still visible to people who are logged in. Log out and clear your cache and you'll notice the account is not visible. This might be something we change in the future as I don't see the point of showing deleted accounts to people who are logged in.

TuffGhost wrote:

andresmh wrote:

TuffGhost wrote:

dude it isnt deleted either

like i can visit his userpage its right here

The account is deleted. Deleted accounts are still visible to people who are logged in. Log out and clear your cache and you'll notice the account is not visible. This might be something we change in the future as I don't see the point of showing deleted accounts to people who are logged in.

ok dude so i logged out and i got the same 404 as i did with rhy's original account, which has projects still

also why would you completely disable viewing of disabled accounts' projects i mean do you want more complaints when no one can even see rhy's original projects

This account is deleted and and shows no projects: http://scratch.mit.edu/users/sketchgame

This account is blocked and shows projetcts:
http://scratch.mit.edu/users/RHY3756547

That's how deletion and blocking work today. This might change in the future and that's the topic of a separate thread.

TuffGhost wrote:

well dude you told me to log out to show that it was deleted but that didnt really prove anything

like honestly it just looks like you deleted all his projects on the other accounts so you havent really proved anything man

One account was deleted and the other is blocked. Nothing to prove unless . I don't see why it would make sense to delete one project at a time when it's faster to delete the account. Accounts connected to blocked accounts do not have the privilege to upload projects, hence we delete those accounts which in turn deletes the associated projects.  I don't understand what is there to prove. ಠ_ಠ

Fair enough to deleting all the other accounts-

But I do NOT think that deleting the "SketchGame" account was very fair or smart. I, and probably many others, saw it as RHY's way of saying good bye to the scratch community. He wasn't using it to comment or anything- he merely just uploaded one of, if not, the greatest projects ever. And you deleted it.

D:

TuffGhost wrote:

08jackt wrote:

Fair enough to deleting all the other accounts-

But I do NOT think that deleting the "SketchGame" account was very fair or smart. I, and probably many others, saw it as RHY's way of saying good bye to the scratch community. He wasn't using it to comment or anything- he merely just uploaded one of, if not, the greatest projects ever. And you deleted it.

D:

dude he commented a lot on that project to the people who asked questions and to confirm that he was rhy

yes but not on others peoples bro.

*i should probably note i base that on absolutely nothing.

Last edited by 08jackt (2010-11-27 23:19:16)

08jackt wrote:

Fair enough to deleting all the other accounts-

But I do NOT think that deleting the "SketchGame" account was very fair or smart. I, and probably many others, saw it as RHY's way of saying good bye to the scratch community. He wasn't using it to comment or anything- he merely just uploaded one of, if not, the greatest projects ever. And you deleted it.

D:

Here is, in pseudocode, what we try to do in terms of blocking/deleting accounts:

Person A breaks the TOU using account X
Scratch Team Blocks Account X
Person A creates account Y
forever {
  if <Account X == blocked> {
      delete/block account Y
} else
    Scratch Team lets Person A use account Y
    Scratch Team lets Person A use account X
}
}

I agree with you that it is unfortunate if person A intended to use account Y  for good, however, we do not want people to freely continue breaking the TOU and simply create new accounts.

We try to give the privilege of posting content to our website only to people who follow the TOU. People who don't give us signals that they will to follow the TOU are not allowed to post on our site.

TuffGhost wrote:

andresmh wrote:

Person A breaks the TOU using account X
Scratch Team Blocks Account X
Person A creates account Y
forever {
  if <Account X == blocked> {
      delete/block account Y
} else
    Scratch Team lets Person A use account Y
    Scratch Team lets Person A use account X
}
}

suddenly i understand everything

Awesmoe

andresmh wrote:

Person A breaks the TOU using account X
Scratch Team Blocks Account X
Person A creates account Y
forever {
  if <Account X == blocked> {
      delete/block account Y
} else
    Scratch Team lets Person A use account Y
    Scratch Team lets Person A use account X
}
}

Made by going to the ScriptableScratchMorph section and blockspecs

Not in Paint

I would have recolored them but I did not

Last edited by GlitchSprite (2010-11-28 00:10:38)