Scratch

there really shouldn't be a debate, everyone gets that RHY should be banned, they just don't want it because he was such a good programmer.

and @ Tuffghost, just because something is done by a lot of people it doesn't make it right.

The problem, is, how do you define mean? Maybe if you called another user a r*tard it would be fine on another site, but provokes banning here? So what could have happened was...

Rhy goes onto randomsite.com. He finds that calling someone a r*tard on that site is okay.

*A while later*

Rhy discovers Scratch, and starts calling people r*tards.

He gets banned and thinks it's unfair, so her refuses to respond to any ST messages.

Then, he joins a group of ex-Scratchers who have unhappy and probably similar experiences.

They post insulting offsite material and more.

This makes the ST less likely to unblock them, and makes them even unhappier.

They post more offensive material.

And so on, until it has gotten to this stage.

archmage wrote:

Finished my accounting midterm & assignment today. Gunna take tomorrow off to try to finish my flash game.

:O

Whoa it is archmage

Dude you are freaking awesome

Last edited by GlitchSprite (2010-11-28 23:38:50)

S65 wrote:

You know what I guess in the end everyone's really wasting their time debating over this.

QFT

helltank wrote:

The problem, is, how do you define mean? Maybe if you called another user a r*tard it would be fine on another site, but provokes banning here? So what could have happened was...

Calling someone a word like that is always mean; it's just tolerated more in some communities such as youtube.

helltank wrote:

The problem, is, how do you define mean? Maybe if you called another user a r*tard it would be fine on another site, but provokes banning here? So what could have happened was...

Rhy goes onto randomsite.com. He finds that calling someone a r*tard on that site is okay.

*A while later*

Rhy discovers Scratch, and starts calling people r*tards.

He gets banned and thinks it's unfair, so her refuses to respond to any ST messages.

Then, he joins a group of ex-Scratchers who have unhappy and probably similar experiences.

They post insulting offsite material and more.

This makes the ST less likely to unblock them, and makes them even unhappier.

They post more offensive material.

And so on, until it has gotten to this stage.

Well it's a good thing that's definitely not the way it happened.
In fact that whole story is wrong

Last edited by Blade-Edge (2010-11-28 23:59:52)

I said that it's partly their fault, not entirely. A huge chunk of the responsibility does fall on the authors.

PlayWithFire wrote:

plus, it's not the scratch teams responsibility to censor the internet.

They sure act like it is :p

Helltank wrote:

The problem, is, how do you define mean? Maybe if you called another user a r*tard it would be fine on another site, but provokes banning here? So what could have happened was...

Rhy goes onto randomsite.com. He finds that calling someone a r*tard on that site is okay.

*A while later*

Rhy discovers Scratch, and starts calling people r*tards.

He gets banned and thinks it's unfair, so her refuses to respond to any ST messages.

Then, he joins a group of ex-Scratchers who have unhappy and probably similar experiences.

They post insulting offsite material and more.

This makes the ST less likely to unblock them, and makes them even unhappier.

They post more offensive material.

And so on, until it has gotten to this stage.

Guys...People have rights in this world...Only...the scratch website is meant to be a happy place and Lightnin and the gang are only trying to run this place...If you have any complaints to that...make a new website is my suggestion 

Lightnin wrote:

I don't really know how much of what you say applies to this situation, because I can't read the minds of everyone involved. But I think in general the scenario you describe makes a lot of sense.

People learn one way to be on a particular forum / community, and get used to those standards.  In some places it may be fine to use slang or curse words, or to flame back when provoked. And that's fine - the webs are big, and have plenty of room for many different approaches to community.

But when people who are used to different styles come to Scratch, it's easy to imagine them getting upset by our comparatively strict policies. I sometimes wonder if they feel that we're trying to tell them how to be or act in general, instead of stating how they need to be or act on Scratch. There's a big difference: the first is a big morality trip that gets laid on kids all the time - do this, do that, do what we say and be good or else! What I'd like to find a good way to say is: You can do or be who you want, but if you choose to be here, you need to be respectful, and follow the Terms of Use. If you don't want to do that, that's fine. We respect your choice, but you need to go elsewhere. The webs are pretty big. If you decide you don't like the rules of this community, you can find a different one, or start your own.

I'm sure someone will point out that the offsite attacks come from a different community, but it's still a community that's focused pretty much entirely on Scratch. When you join a community that's more tolerant of flaming on the webs, you throw your hat in the ring with everyone else - it's a choice. If you can't take what's dished out, that's on you. But in this case none of the people attacked by that offsite stuff chose to join that community, so they never accepted those different standards.  So I don't think its fair that they get attacked.

So if you like less strict moderation policies, that's totally fine. But if you choose to come hang out on Scratch, we ask that you please respect the TOU, or give constructive, realistic feedback on how you think it should be changed. Thanks for reading this megawall.

Last edited by dbn300100 (2010-11-29 14:01:38)

steppenwulf wrote:

Man, RHY isn't even here and there is still a huge debate about him.

I know...it's odd that this debate is STILL going

Last edited by dbn300100 (2010-11-29 14:10:37)

bananaman114 wrote:

OK, I slept on it, and came up with this:

Did RHY3756547 break the TOU? Yes.
Did he do it more than once? Pretty sure.
Was the offsite material offencive to Scratchers, and broke the terms of use? Yes.
Did RHY3756547 deserve what he got? Yes.

So why is this discussion still going on? I mean, he was a good programmer, but he was rude, and so was the offsite material. So he was banned.

dude he even just quit making the comics so you can take out that third part
also the last part is opinion and probably what he means when he said that he will if everyone else does
which is probably why he told me theres a real low chance of him coming back on the forums because thats where everyone hates him

heck that first thing i said pretty much means he should be back

[account name removed] is probably a script kiddy. A hacker would not waste his time attacking .edu sites when the gov and mil sites are still out there.

Still, the ST should do something about [account name removed]. Mafiaboy was a script kiddy and he caused billions of dollars worth of damage.

Sorry for the off topicness.

Last edited by helltank (2010-11-30 01:42:38)

throughthefire wrote:

[removed by mods - please be respectful]

You know, this should be stickied, because it would be a good message to those who were to follow in RHY's footsteps and remind them of the consequences

EDIT: Oh, I just found the perfect example. There is a user named [removed by mod] that threatened to hack everyone's accounts and projects. I flagged it, and the name made it obvious that the person's sole purpouse is to destroy. So can you get to my flag report soon, scratch team?

[Yep, got it. No need to mention names though. And please be respectful of everyone, even those who you disagree with.]

This doesn't need to be stickied, there's so much talking! 

PlayWithFire wrote:

hey lightnin!  you missed a spot in helltanks original post, one of the users who's name you blocked in the quote was left in the original post

just letting you know.

You think Lightnin is the only one who can edit my post? He may have missed a spot, but I didn't! I edited it out myself.

Also, I have a question. I've noticed that some of my games, and some other games as well, on the TBG sometimes get people saying,"This is stupid" because it's complex or has a unique concept. Is this mean? After all, someone put effort into designing those systems, balanced to make sure there's no powerplaying, or came up with a great idea that no one else had.

Last edited by helltank (2010-11-30 01:45:27)

helltank wrote:

I've noticed that some of my games, and some other games as well, on the TBG sometimes get people saying,"This is stupid" because it's complex or has a unique concept. Is this mean? After all, someone put effort into designing those systems, balanced to make sure there's no powerplaying, or came up with a great idea that no one else had.

Well, I think so - it's certainly not a compliment or constructive criticism.  But that's really up to the TBG moderators to decide.  Try flagging the comments and see if they are removed.

Now...let's please try and stay on-topic