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#1 2010-11-27 15:11:59
The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
There's been a thread recently asking why the Scratch Team chose to remove a project shared by an additional account made by Rhy to avoid the block on their original. Since it raises some concerns about how we make decisions in general, we thought we'd respond here.
In many ways, the TOU boil down to this: Don't be mean. That's really the main requirement for participating on Scratch. Rhy's original account, as well as a few that were created after that, were blocked for making disrespectful forum posts after multiple warnings. As is our policy when blocking accounts, we offered to unblock if the owner gave their word to be respectful, and follow the Terms of Use. Our response to Rhy after their original account was blocked ended with this:
"If you do decide you want to rejoin the community, and are willing to tone things down, let us know, and we can discuss unblocking your account. "
But we never received a response. In later messages, we also offered to unblock their account contingent on agreeing to be respectful, but each time they declined.
There's no question that Rhy is a talented programmer. But we don't feel that talent and programming ability are an excuse to treat people disrespectfully. We're happy to unblock accounts whose owners agree to be more respectful, but so far Rhy has not done that. Even if they chose to make that promise now, creating additional fake accounts to avoid the block, sending messages to try to mislead the site admins, and creating offsite content that attacks members of the community make it that much harder to take people at their word. So even given a promise to be more respectful, Rhy's account will not be unblocked anytime soon. As is our general policy, until we can come to an agreement with the owner of the original account that got blocked, any additional accounts they create will also be blocked or removed.
We know that some of you will be disappointed with this decision, but we feel it's important that we're consistent in our requirement that Scratchers be respectful.
If you have questions, you can post them below.
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#2 2010-11-27 15:14:51
- antimonyarsenide
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Oh. I see 
Are we allowed to reupload his deleted project though? (Like I already did)
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#3 2010-11-27 15:16:03
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
antimonyarsenide wrote:
Oh. I see
Are we allowed to reupload his deleted project though? (Like I already did)
Seeing what he just said I imagine that that would be fine
Because it is RHY's attitude
Not his games
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#5 2010-11-27 15:17:02
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
antimonyarsenide wrote:
Oh. I see
Are we allowed to reupload his deleted project though? (Like I already did)
We ask that you don't upload projects by banned Scratchers, because the ability to share projects to the site should be contingent on being respectful.
But if you like, you can always share the project to your own site. There are instructions on how to do this here:
http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Publishing_your_Scratch_projects_on_other_websites
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#6 2010-11-27 15:19:48
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
TuffGhost wrote:
dude he was completely fine on sketchgame
no bad anything
so what happened there???
Creating additional accounts doesn't wipe the slate clean. Often times when the owners of blocked accounts create new ones, they continue to do the same things that got them blocked in the first place. So:
As is our general policy, until we can come to an agreement with the owner of the original account that got blocked, any additional accounts they create will also be blocked or removed.
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#7 2010-11-27 15:20:40
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
I see Thanks for clearing it up.
So we cant reupload?
So if you are banned you are not allowed to make new accounts?
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#8 2010-11-27 15:22:25
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Rhys says that he was blocked because of a certain outside activity. So, what I understand from this is that if anyone does something mean outside of this website, they will be blocked off here
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#9 2010-11-27 15:22:50
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Lightnin wrote:
TuffGhost wrote:
dude he was completely fine on sketchgame
no bad anything
so what happened there???Creating additional accounts doesn't wipe the slate clean. Often times when the owners of blocked accounts create new ones, they continue to do the same things that got them blocked in the first place. So:
As is our general policy, until we can come to an agreement with the owner of the original account that got blocked, any additional accounts they create will also be blocked or removed.
dude dude he didnt try to wipe any slates
the guy openly told people it was him
and if by
continue to do the same things that got them blocked in the first place.
you mean the whole "being mean" thing he didnt do that either
like i said that the first time
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#10 2010-11-27 15:23:30
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Well first of all I'd like to say: LMAO at all this drama...now for the serious portion of this post.
Soooo...you were willing to unban RHY if he agreed to be more respectful, up until 5 minutes ago when his newest game caused drama because you guys deleted it? What?
creating offsite content that attacks members of the community
The key there is offsite content. Someone's actions outside of the Scratch forums and site should have absolutely no bearing on them inside the Scratch community. If they do then wow, I have a huge list of names to give you for your banlist.
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#11 2010-11-27 15:23:33
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Blade-Edge wrote:
Rhys says that he was blocked because of a certain outside activity. So, what I understand from this is that if anyone does something mean outside of this website, they will be blocked off here
Good q will they? He said he made a comic of sorts...
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#12 2010-11-27 15:24:16
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
This should be stickied!
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#13 2010-11-27 15:28:11
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
recycle49 wrote:
Blade-Edge wrote:
Rhys says that he was blocked because of a certain outside activity. So, what I understand from this is that if anyone does something mean outside of this website, they will be blocked off here
Good q will they? He said he made a comic of sorts...
Let me rephrase that
Rhys was blocked, and he was given the chance to return, but it was later taken back because of outside activities
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#14 2010-11-27 15:29:03
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Blade-Edge wrote:
Rhys says that he was blocked because of a certain outside activity. So, what I understand from this is that if anyone does something mean outside of this website, they will be blocked off here
No, the account was originally blocked for making disrespectful forum posts. But attacking community members offsite certainly doesn't help one's case. As we've said on this thread:
http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic … 40#p594040
Blade-Edge wrote:
I have another question
Why are off-site actions reasons to ban on the site?
lightnin wrote:
They usually aren't. But in some cases it's kind of obvious that off-site harassment is going on that's really inappropriate and disrespectful. To us, it doesn't make sense to continue providing a free service to people who we know are attacking Scratch or its community members.
Edit: fixed link.
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#15 2010-11-27 15:31:58
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
S65 wrote:
Well first of all I'd like to say: LMAO at all this drama...now for the serious portion of this post.
Soooo...you were willing to unban RHY if he agreed to be more respectful, up until 5 minutes ago when his newest game caused drama because you guys deleted it? What?creating offsite content that attacks members of the community
The key there is offsite content. Someone's actions outside of the Scratch forums and site should have absolutely no bearing on them inside the Scratch community. If they do then wow, I have a huge list of names to give you for your banlist.
Same, I think that off-website conflicts should be kept off the slate*
And btw then wouldn't Float be banned, Mr.Lightning?
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#16 2010-11-27 15:34:11
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
My only comment is that I don't like what the scratch team has done in this situation...
I'm not going to say anything more.
Dun dun dun dun dun dun.... dun dun dun dun dun dun...
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#17 2010-11-27 15:35:20
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Lightnin wrote:
lightnin wrote:
They usually aren't. But in some cases it's kind of obvious that off-site harassment is going on that's really inappropriate and disrespectful. To us, it doesn't make sense to continue providing a free service to people who we know are attacking Scratch or its community members.
dude when did you say that
because you obviously havent said it in this topic so why would blade know you had in the first place
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#18 2010-11-27 15:37:48
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Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
TuffGhost wrote:
Lightnin wrote:
lightnin wrote:
They usually aren't. But in some cases it's kind of obvious that off-site harassment is going on that's really inappropriate and disrespectful. To us, it doesn't make sense to continue providing a free service to people who we know are attacking Scratch or its community members.
dude when did you say that
because you obviously havent said it in this topic so why would blade know you had in the first place
It seems Lightnin's link was incorrect.
Here is the original post: http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic … 40#p594040
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#19 2010-11-27 15:38:23
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
TuffGhost wrote:
Lightnin wrote:
lightnin wrote:
They usually aren't. But in some cases it's kind of obvious that off-site harassment is going on that's really inappropriate and disrespectful. To us, it doesn't make sense to continue providing a free service to people who we know are attacking Scratch or its community members.
dude when did you say that
because you obviously havent said it in this topic so why would blade know you had in the first place
See the link to the thread in the above post, from which you have quoted.
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#20 2010-11-27 15:39:35
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
S65 wrote:
Soooo...you were willing to unban RHY if he agreed to be more respectful, up until 5 minutes ago when his newest game caused drama because you guys deleted it? What?
We exchanged messages with RHY back when the account was first blocked saying that the account would be unblocked if promised to be more respectful. RHY explicitly refused to be more respectful.
This was not something decided "5 minutes ago", it happened a while ago.
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#21 2010-11-27 15:41:05
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Oh, alright, the OP made me think that up until this point (duping and posting the Sketch project) you guys would have been willing to unban RHY if he agreed to be more respectful. Which didn't really make sense to me.
Still don't agree with this but w/e.
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#22 2010-11-27 15:41:24
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
Stickman704 wrote:
My only comment is that I don't like what the scratch team has done in this situation...
I'm not going to say anything more.
We like getting reasoned feedback about our choices, so we're happy to hear your thoughts on why you don't agree if you decide you'd like to share them.
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#23 2010-11-27 15:42:05
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Blade-Edge wrote:
recycle49 wrote:
Blade-Edge wrote:
Rhys says that he was blocked because of a certain outside activity. So, what I understand from this is that if anyone does something mean outside of this website, they will be blocked off here
Good q will they? He said he made a comic of sorts...
Let me rephrase that
Rhys was blocked, and he was given the chance to return, but it was later taken back because of outside activities
The main reason why the account remained blocked was because RHY refused to be respectful.
Trolling outside the website certainly did not help the case, but it was not the determinant factor.
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#24 2010-11-27 15:42:22
Re: The TOU on Scratch boil down to this: Don't be mean
S65 wrote:
Oh, alright, the OP made me think that up until this point (duping and posting the Sketch project) you guys would have been willing to unban RHY if he agreed to be more respectful. Which didn't really make sense to me.
Still don't agree with this but w/e.
I see. Let us know if you feel it should be phrased differently to be more clear.
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#25 2010-11-27 15:42:44
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andresmh wrote:
Blade-Edge wrote:
recycle49 wrote:
Good q will they? He said he made a comic of sorts...Let me rephrase that
Rhys was blocked, and he was given the chance to return, but it was later taken back because of outside activitiesThe main reason why the account remained blocked was because RHY refused to be respectful.
Trolling outside the website certainly did not help the case, but it was not the determinant factor.
Oh i get it thank you
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