Scratch

That's a little harsh... A lot of people from different educations use Scratch, and it's a little ridiculous to delete projects with a less than 2.0 rating.

"Wolf spam," as you call it, is usually a part of an RPG: a larger game with a group of projects and comments.

Additionally, some people could get really hurt if their project gets a low rating... They might have spent a great deal of time on their project only to find out that they get a 1.4 rating. It's been suggested in the past, and has been turned down for that reason exactly.

That's REALLY harsh. Sometimes, my really good projects don't get viewed for a few days.

Why are you so intent on deleting projects all of a sudden?

coolstuff wrote:

That's a little harsh... A lot of people from different educations use Scratch, and it's a little ridiculous to delete projects with a less than 2.0 rating.

"Wolf spam," as you call it, is usually a part of an RPG: a larger game with a group of projects and comments.

Additionally, some people could get really hurt if their project gets a low rating... They might have spent a great deal of time on their project only to find out that they get a 1.4 rating. It's been suggested in the past, and has been turned down for that reason exactly.

as i said, theres nothing wrong with wolf spam.
but maybe people who want to see wolf spam go to the wolf spam section to see it instead of going to the front page, where not EVERYbody wants to see wolf spam.

in addition, people on scratch are reasonable.
if you really did spend alot of time on a project, people won't vote it down.
it encourages people who dont put much effort in to put more effort in.
and 2.0 isnt that high.  basically anything except projects that are REALLY bad wont get put up.
that said, it also weeds out the "learning" projects, like the thousands of "my first scroller," "my first animation," etc.
people in general don't want to see those.
if someone DOES want to share "my first scroller," post it on your OWN website, and send the links to the friends you want to see it.

"My logic is undeniable." -VIKI, right before Will Smith killed her. (iRobot, 2004)

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

That's REALLY harsh. Sometimes, my really good projects don't get viewed for a few days.

Why are you so intent on deleting projects all of a sudden?

heres an example: http://www.newgrounds.com/

it would be better if getting your project up was something to strive for, rather than something just anyone could do.  scratchers are reasonable, and getting a 2.0 i'm sure cant be that hard (besides, what are complaint forums for after all?) it makes you feel proud about your work.

radicalace wrote:

it would be better if getting your project up was something to strive for, rather than something just anyone could do.  scratchers are reasonable, and getting a 2.0 i'm sure cant be that hard (besides, what are complaint forums for after all?) it makes you feel proud about your work.

This isn't a complaint forum 

While it may make you feel good to get your project up and working, it could also make you feel terrible to find out that your project had been deleted. Does it help you learn? No, it discourages you and makes you never, ever want to program again - the exact opposite intent of Scratch itself.

radicalace wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

Oftentimes, Scratch is used as a learning community. Certain classes make their students create a wizard that casts a spell and turns a tree into a pear, and then upload it to the website for the teacher to mark. If this would be implemented, that whole system would break down.

Likewise, often people upload projects to the website that aren't very good and get quite a bit of feedback about it, and where to improve, so you can really learn from your mistakes on this website.

http://www.newgrounds.com/

you see, i just edited my theory.
all projects go up, but you can submit your finest work to the "voting section." it may or may not get deleted from that section ONLY.

But why would you do that? It's like asking, "Would you like your project to get deleted or not?" Obviously, the answer would be no.

radicalace wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

radicalace wrote:

http://www.newgrounds.com/

you see, i just edited my theory.
all projects go up, but you can submit your finest work to the "voting section." it may or may not get deleted from that section ONLY.

But why would you do that? It's like asking, "Would you like your project to get deleted or not?" Obviously, the answer would be no.

i dont understand.  let me rephrase in a way you may understand:

When [Green Flag] clicked,
Set variable "Section 1" to "Normal" (a.k.a Spam)
Set variable "Section 2" to "Voting" (a.k.a Good)
Submit "Project" to "Normal."
If "Project" > Average, or "Project" = Average
      Submit "Project" to "Voting"
      Wait until "Timer" > 1 Day
      If "Project Score" > 2.0,
            Add "Project" to "Passed Judgement"
      Else
            Delete from "Voting." (Project still exists in "Normal."
Else
Send "Link" to "Friends"
Stop All.

understand now?

Sure, that makes sense, but is it really necessary? It seems like a load of work for something that could very potentially hurt one's feelings.

coolstuff wrote:

radicalace wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

But why would you do that? It's like asking, "Would you like your project to get deleted or not?" Obviously, the answer would be no.

i dont understand.  let me rephrase in a way you may understand:

When [Green Flag] clicked,
Set variable "Section 1" to "Normal" (a.k.a Spam)
Set variable "Section 2" to "Voting" (a.k.a Good)
Submit "Project" to "Normal."
If "Project" > Average, or "Project" = Average
      Submit "Project" to "Voting"
      Wait until "Timer" > 1 Day
      If "Project Score" > 2.0,
            Add "Project" to "Passed Judgement"
      Else
            Delete from "Voting." (Project still exists in "Normal."
Else
Send "Link" to "Friends"
Stop All.

understand now?

Sure, that makes sense, but is it really necessary? It seems like a load of work for something that could very potentially hurt one's feelings.

i know its weird using a real life example, seeing as it doesnt really apply in this context, but here goes:

you are an architect
construction firm says "design the best skyscraper for this big, fancy corporation and we will build it and give you $100,000!!!"
you spend 5 days designing a 1 story playhouse and submit it
it doesnt get chosen

and you're DISSAPOINTED??? WHAT DID YOU EXCPECT????

i get the sense that most scratchers are reasonable people, and 2.0 is definitely not very high, so if you actually submit something nice it should go up.

in addition, this will make people put more time and effort into their projects.  i have, in total, 291, thats right, 291 and counting scratch projects on my computer.  most of them COULD be uploaded, but they arent very good and nobody wants to see them.  so why should i upload them?  instead of posting every little project you make, only submit the good ones that people want to see.
and it will be a source of pride if you make it in.  imagine the smile on some 12 year old's face when he realizes that the project he spent so much time on got higher than a 2.0 average score and gets to be put in the vote section.
and like i mentioned above, nobody will be dissapointed if a bad project doesnt make it in.  and you have to trust in the scratch community to make sure the good projects to get by, but most people are positive about others work (actually, im usually not.  a complement from me is very rare and deserving of a medal)

Paddle2See wrote:

We sort of already have a voting system in the "Community Viewing" and "Community Loving" sections of the Front Page.  People vote by giving projects attention, either views or loveits.  Anything more draconian than that is likely to discourage beginning Scratchers, which would be totally against the design goals of the Scratch project.

I do agree with you that it would be very nice if the front page were completely customizable and you had more control over what projects appeared on it.  Maybe there could be a set of tags you could select from so that only projects that you were interested in appeared (assuming they were tagged correctly).  I'm hoping some sort of filter feature such as this becomes part of Scratch 2.0.

my idea was more along sections
for example, I've noticed most front page projects are "Wolf Spam," (RPGs, if you will)
Well, I don't want to see that.  It's really hard for me to find good projects about things that I'M interested in simply by browsing and searching.  It would be nice if there were different sections you could submit your uploaded project to, each with it's own Top Loved and Top Viewed.
Example Sections:
Wolf Spam
Tutorial
General Animations
Action Games
Puzzle Games
Assignments
etc.