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coolstuff wrote:

hdarken wrote:

Isn't that the opposite of the other topic.   

What other topic?

I think he means the Anti-Censorship one.

Da_su-Ra1el wrote:

They say one bad apple makes the basket go bad. I have looked into the archives of scratch, and realized something - any trolls on scratch at all will create an explosion of paranoia, which will be a danger to scratch. Nobody wants scratch to collapse. So anything that looks like it may be trouble, should be banned.
Here's what rules must be added:
<to save walls, I won't quote this bit.>

First of all, welcome to scratch 

If you are looking at the "Archives" which I take it is locked fourm posts, those normally contain all the trolling and such there. Some, I admit, are due to having an age of two weeks, but others are due to the vandilism that is chucked in there.

The rules and terms of use have been there for quite a while, I think they're fine. It's not a massive wall of text that nobody bothers to read, they're actually short and straight to the point.

Scratch has a crack team of mods (well, almost     ) who work around the clock seeking out bad topics and if other members of scratch do while the mods don't, there's a reporting system which instantly gets posted to mod HQ, so the mods can get to the topic and lock it.

I seriously hope this thread is a joke... I don't feel like breaking each of these ideas down...

hdarken wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

hdarken wrote:

Isn't that the opposite of the other topic.   

What other topic?

This topic. http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=40461

Oh, I see - thanks for clarifying 

I personally think the rules are fine as they are.

1 - Misuse of scratch. If a user is using only the forums, and not making projects, they will get a warning.
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Ace-Of Spades wasn't a bad guy and he only made one project for his 4000+ posts.

2 - Any sort of swearing. Major swearing is blocked right now, but minor swearing must be blocked too. Even "bathroom" words. Because small crimes DO build up. If you allow minor swears, soon everybody will be yelling out major ones, which are unacceptable.
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This guy goes to a bar and gets drunk. he asks where the restroom is and the guy says down the hall to the right. He accidentally goes down the hall to the left and finds a golden toilet. He uses this toilet for a few days when suddenly it's not there. He asks the bartender where the golden toilet is and the bartender yells, "FRANK< I FOUND THE GUY WHO"S BEEN POOPIN' IN YOUR TUBA!"

3 - Bad grammar, leet. These are signs of "punks", which usually become trolls, or are even trolls in disguise. Therefore, "trash talk" must not be allowed. Mistakes are okay, but more than three in one post will count as "trash talk".
tat a stoopid rule.

1 - Suspects. If somebody who signs up becomes a troll, and their birthday is in, let's say, January 2000, then anybody else who signs up up to a month after them and enters that as their birth-time, they must be extremely suspected.
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Me and littletonkslover share the same birthday. Were not trolls.

2 - Email Validation. Force people to use access codes sent to them. Then, people will not be able to join as [random letters]@[random letters].com, which is the mark of a troll.
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It would make more sense to ask for a parent address but good idea. We should probably add a Captcha! too.

3 - User Questioning. Put some users online that seem suspicious in a sort of chatroom, which they cannot leave until they have been questioned by a moderator.
And here's a new ban system which I recommend:
1 - Warnings. 2 Warnings: Monthlong Ban. 3 Warnings: Permanent Ban.
2 - User Deletion. If a user is permanently banned and the obvious troll topics are deleted, that is not enough. All their projects and posts must be deleted to ensure that there are no traces of trolling left.
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So what your saying is they could make the most viewed and best Scratch Project ever and then when then when they get banned for "trolling" (which you apparently think is the only reason anyone is banned) they get it deleted even though they there was nothing wrong with the project itself?

3 - No Way Out. Once a user is banned, that's it. He/She can't defend His/Herself. Why? People don't reform, sorry. And the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter if they're "unjust", they're still the rules. Do what you're told.
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Illusionist. 'Nuff said.

Ban me if you dare.

No sarcasm. Saracasm is the sign of budding trolls. Slang is too. Slang and Sarcasm are things that could very well turn one into a troll once they build up.

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Paddle2see mentions a lot that sarcasm should be used with caution in the form of text, as sometimes it can be difficult to understand whether what you're saying is a joke or not. But banning sarcasm...?


Miscellaneous. Sounds dangerous. Wait, but you can't post in it. That forum shouldn't even be here, anyways, if nobody can post in it.

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The miscellaneous section can be great for inspiration, random topics etc: that don't quite fit in elsewhere, and in removing it, those topics would be forced to spread out and create spam.


Criticism. This may sound tyrannical, but criticizing scratch should be watched. Those who aren't happy will eventually turn into trolls.

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I don't mind criticism, although some people don't enjoy having comments made about there projects. But as long as it's reasonable, and you offer improvements/advice and include good points if you're criticising, eg: "I like your project, it's fun and has nice graphics and music, although the walls don't always work, perhaps you could find a way to fix this?" instead of "THE WALL DOESN'T WORK, YOUR PROJECT FAILS!!" (which is trolling, not criticism).


Comments. This is how trolls crush self confidence. Not entirely, how about . . . You need to be a more advanced user to comment, like, at 2 months.

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Banning the right to speak in a creative community doesn't really work...


Users. People should simply post on the forums and make projects anonymously, and only IPs should be banned, and only moderators and the scratch team should be able to have accounts. This makes it harder to victimize one person.

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The user system is used all over the internet, and works fine  . And without usernames on the Scratch website, things would be very confusing. Also it doesn't really stop trolling if you remove them.


Signatures. Isn't that what Show and Tell is for? Signatures are simply excuses for double posting. Do we really need to see the same thing repeated again and again?

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Signatures are popular on forums, and while they aren't 100% needed, work great for exactly those reasons... Or just having a flashy image etc: I don't think signatures should go, and again, it doesn't exactly cut down on trolling.

Last edited by 06dknibbs (2010-07-17 15:22:26)

Number 3 "no way out" is completely wrong. The scratch filters do make mistakes and accidentally ban people.

Da_su-Ra1el wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Da_su-Ra1el wrote:

Oops. Anyways, I thought of some more ideas:
Things that should be watched:
1 - No sarcasm. Saracasm is the sign of budding trolls. Slang is too. Slang and Sarcasm are things that could very well turn one into a troll once they build up.
2 - Miscellaneous. Sounds dangerous. Wait, but you can't post in it. That forum shouldn't even be here, anyways, if nobody can post in it.
3 - Criticism. This may sound tyrannical, but criticizing scratch should be watched. Those who aren't happy will eventually turn into trolls.
Things that should be deleted:
1 - Comments. This is how trolls crush self confidence. Not entirely, how about . . . You need to be a more advanced user to comment, like, at 2 months.
2 - Users. People should simply post on the forums and make projects anonymously, and only IPs should be banned, and only moderators and the scratch team should be able to have accounts. This makes it harder to victimize one person.
3 - Signatures. Isn't that what Show and Tell is for? Signatures are simply excuses for double posting. Do we really need to see the same thing repeated again and again?

Now I'm beginning to think that you're trolling... :-/

Actually, I'm not. I'm simply trying to prevent trolling.

Yeah, you're preventing trolling and everything else.

Da_su-Ra1el wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Da_su-Ra1el wrote:

Oops. Anyways, I thought of some more ideas:
Things that should be watched:
1 - No sarcasm. Saracasm is the sign of budding trolls. Slang is too. Slang and Sarcasm are things that could very well turn one into a troll once they build up.
2 - Miscellaneous. Sounds dangerous. Wait, but you can't post in it. That forum shouldn't even be here, anyways, if nobody can post in it.
3 - Criticism. This may sound tyrannical, but criticizing scratch should be watched. Those who aren't happy will eventually turn into trolls.
Things that should be deleted:
1 - Comments. This is how trolls crush self confidence. Not entirely, how about . . . You need to be a more advanced user to comment, like, at 2 months.
2 - Users. People should simply post on the forums and make projects anonymously, and only IPs should be banned, and only moderators and the scratch team should be able to have accounts. This makes it harder to victimize one person.
3 - Signatures. Isn't that what Show and Tell is for? Signatures are simply excuses for double posting. Do we really need to see the same thing repeated again and again?

Now I'm beginning to think that you're trolling... :-/

Actually, I'm not. I'm simply trying to prevent trolling.

That's understandable, but preventing trolling and tightening the rules for no reason are two different things. A perma-ban on the third warning? Most regular users get more than that before getting banned for any length of time. And the "people can't change" idea is just wrong, read coolstuff's post.

It's like a smoke alarm going off after someone lights a candle in the next room. Eventually someone will get tired of it and take that smoke alarm down.

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hmnwilson wrote:

That's understandable, but preventing trolling and tightening the rules for no reason are two different things. A perma-ban on the third warning? Most regular users get more than that before getting banned for any length of time. And the "people can't change" idea is just wrong, read coolstuff's post.

People might has some trouble finding the part of my post - I'll re-post it here:

This is something I strongly disagree with. Many people learn from their mistakes. I know that I was banned once when I was younger, more naïve Scratch user. Have I changed? Of course. Would I ever do anything that might remotely get me banned these days? Of course not. I would have been permanently banned two years ago if these systems were put into effect, and then you wouldn't have your favourite moderator    Especially at the targeted age group of this website, people who use this website will be changing dramatically as they become more mature.

onestly, 'rammar mistakes?  sometimes eple cant speel properly....
+ on one of my com's (ey, does that count as a spellin mistake!) cant use these letters on my keyboard- p,t,i
so this sentence would be like this:
In "" are not there on my other jeyboard "i" can no"t" unders"t"and you!
canno undersand you!
Now tell me that should be banned
+on xbox360forums.com i got told i was banned for spamming and after 2 warnings i got told it was a 1 year ban!  Funnily enough after complaining enogh i was able 2 get my account back-and guess what the so called "spam" wasn't spam and it was an error on the server-so what your saying is that the error on the server is right 2!
Plus talkin like this doesn mean im a troll, does it?  It cood mean im 2 lazy 2 tipe any thing differen'.  Oh, and ozzies love abbrievating thinga,eh mate?

colorfusion wrote:

hdarken wrote:

These rules are way to strict. quote if you agree

He is asking for the removal of all users and basically everything on scratch except the forums. This site is fine as it is, very little trolls, most people happy.

But I am still laughing at how this guy has already broke a load of his own rules.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
YEAH (i agrea, and my grammar is actually quite good)

helltank wrote:

True, true, colorfusion. Imagine this scenario:

Paddle2See:Wow! Great project! I lol'd so hard!!!       
*the next day*
Paddle2See has been banned on suspicion of being a troll

or this one:
coolstuff:Alright! We have decided to implement your rules! However, since your user is in net talk, you get banned for life!

XD *facepalm* XD

Wow, your good!