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#1 2008-03-04 20:33:40

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Politics on Scratch

I am honestly wondering why anything political is allowed on this website. It only causes lots of disagreements and problems. Anything relating to politics (whether it be liberal or conservative) should be taken off the website in my opinion.

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#2 2008-03-04 20:42:19

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Well. Scratch is for sharing. Opinion-sharing is also sharing. So, it's not exactly banned. And some people like the idea of kids learning about the basics of politics at a young age.

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#3 2008-03-04 22:37:49

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Re: Politics on Scratch

when your a kid you are soon gonna vote so you should learn about politics, but dont you think its going a little overboard thinking that kids sharing there opinion should be banned for eternity (exageration)? like if I were to say your favorite video game sucks, would you ban me for that?


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#4 2008-03-04 23:31:45

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Re: Politics on Scratch

yeah though your missing the point. ^


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#5 2008-03-04 23:36:01

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Re: Politics on Scratch

I know.

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#6 2008-03-05 00:50:19

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Re: Politics on Scratch

HOW DO I GET TO DOWNLOAD SCRATCH!!!!

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#7 2008-03-05 10:04:16

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Adz - you click the download scratch link on the homepage, but please do not spam the forums.

About this topic: I think we do not need politics on Scratch. Remember that not everyone is an American on this site. (Like me, I'm from Belgium) So i agree with pleaseend. Politics are also very off topic for this Scratch site, not?


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#8 2008-03-05 10:13:05

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Projects about politics are perfectly fine as long as they respect the Terms of Use. The forums on the other hand should not be used to discuss about politics but you are free to create projects about politics of your own community or country.


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#9 2008-03-05 15:53:12

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Scratch is the idea of sharing to a community to give valued suggestions and ideas, if you stop political ones, you'd soon have to stop religeon ones, and on and on until finally Scratch would be so limited you could barely add anything, and that would completely take the point out of Scratch. Also you can just not watch political ones if you don't agree with them


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#10 2008-03-05 17:22:42

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Politics are just a part of life.  You should be allowed to share your views in the forums.  In Ancient Rome, the Forum was a place where citizens gather to discuss things, from apples to politics.


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#11 2008-03-06 15:05:41

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Re: Politics on Scratch

ooogabooga wrote:

Politics are just a part of life.  You should be allowed to share your views in the forums.  In Ancient Rome, the Forum was a place where citizens gather to discuss things, from apples to politics.

Wow that's good
I SOOOO agree with this


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#12 2008-03-06 18:53:52

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Politics is based on opinion.  And Scratch is a great way of portraying your opinions.  So politics are perfectly fine on Scratch.


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#13 2008-03-07 14:59:42

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Re: Politics on Scratch

There is a fine line between rioting and politics.  Since there is a very diverse community on the website, one's view can seriously offend someone else.  For example, should we let communist or fascist projects on the website?


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#14 2008-03-07 15:02:15

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Re: Politics on Scratch

I agree with what everybody is saying, but what would really be the point? What would the "President" of Scratch do?

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#15 2008-03-07 15:14:41

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Re: Politics on Scratch

I think speaking about politics is good, it teaches you skill on saying your points right

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#16 2008-03-07 16:02:13

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Re: Politics on Scratch

You may talk about politics on this thing we like to call "The rest of the internet."


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#17 2008-03-07 16:39:11

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Mayhem wrote:

"The rest of the internet."

you like to use this alot dont you? Scratch is a site for sharing which means almost any projects that they want to (the golden word here) share would be welcome. That includes opinions.


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#18 2008-03-07 16:45:47

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Re: Politics on Scratch

torterra wrote:

Mayhem wrote:

"The rest of the internet."

you like to use this alot dont you? .

Yes, a massive quantity of "twice" now.

torterra wrote:

Scratch is a site for sharing which means almost any projects that they want to (the golden word here) share would be welcome. That includes opinions.

Projects, yes.  Projects that include opinions, yes.  Share away.

But just posting political/sporting/religious/best-console opinions in the forums?  No.  It serves no purpose in relation to scratching.


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#19 2008-03-07 18:26:45

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Mayhem wrote:

torterra wrote:

Mayhem wrote:

"The rest of the internet."

you like to use this alot dont you? .

Yes, a massive quantity of "twice" now.

torterra wrote:

Scratch is a site for sharing which means almost any projects that they want to (the golden word here) share would be welcome. That includes opinions.

Projects, yes.  Projects that include opinions, yes.  Share away.

But just posting political/sporting/religious/best-console opinions in the forums?  No.  It serves no purpose in relation to scratching.

#1 yes exacally twice! you should only use it once then go to another phrase.

#2 were talking about political/sporting/religious/best-console opinions  projects on the fourms. (you do notice that the tc (topic creator) hasnt been replying.............. strange)

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#20 2008-03-08 07:09:22

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Re: Politics on Scratch

torterra wrote:

were talking about political/sporting/religious/best-console opinions  projects on the fourms. (you do notice that the tc (topic creator) hasnt been replying.............. strange)

Well, this isn't LiveJournal. There is only one kind of Forums here - the Scratch Forums. Here, people talk about Scratch, not politics.
Of course, you are allowed to post projects about anything you want, as long as they don't violate the Terms of Use. But that doesn't mean you can post political opinions on the Forums. The Scratch Forums were not made to share your opinions, express yourself or chat, like projects and galleries. The Forums are needed to post suggestions or tutorials for Scratch, report bugs , advertise your projects, or discuss the Scratch website features.


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#21 2008-03-08 11:31:32

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Re: Politics on Scratch

Yep. However, you can advertise your political project in Show and Tell. But you cannot actually talk about politics in the forums.

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#22 2008-10-01 11:59:21

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Re: Politics on Scratch

ooogabooga wrote:

There is a fine line between rioting and politics.  Since there is a very diverse community on the website, one's view can seriously offend someone else.  For example, should we let communist or fascist projects on the website?

Such a good question...how far does the freedom of speech extend?  Can anyone truly say anything they want? 

Here on Scratch the important point is that how you say something can be different than what you say...since swearing often offends and isn't necessary to get across ideas it just does not seem appropriate here.  But you were asking about whether or not it's appropriate to talk about controversial ideas, and the best answer is that hateful ideas are not appropriate.

I've moved this topic to inspiration and more, since its not directly about Scratch projects.   Politics (of any country) is important and if we have ideas or concerns we should be able to talk about them.  The Scratch Team of course would love to see us try to express our ideas in projects, but those ideas have to start somewhere  smile   

The Roman Forums was a great analogy!  In the Roman forums speakers would put on shows, bringing props and telling stories to make their points!  So maybe Scratch is like that, only more of a virtual stage?

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#23 2008-10-01 18:31:31

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Re: Politics on Scratch

i don't think it is a bad thing to have, because arguing and disagreement IS politics. that's just how politics are. GO McCain!


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#24 2008-10-01 18:43:26

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Re: Politics on Scratch

torterra wrote:

when your a kid you are soon gonna vote so you should learn about politics, but dont you think its going a little overboard thinking that kids sharing there opinion should be banned for eternity (exageration)? like if I were to say your favorite video game sucks, would you ban me for that?

Haha, I agree with this.

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