Scratch

The-Whiz wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

The-Whiz wrote:

Less restrictive rules don't hurt anybody but the little kids that see inappropriate stuff BECAUSE of the less restrictive rules! Again, you're freedom is just fine, until it infringes on someone else's!

First off their freedom will infringe on others' because then other people cant post what they want and look at stuff they want to see.
Second less restrictive rules doesnt mean NO RULES AT ALL

Again, you're saying that people want to look at inappropriate stuff.
I never said that less restrictive rules meant no rules at all.

Actaully in your post you said COMPLETE freedom which bassicly means NO RULES

Spaghetticat wrote:

The-Whiz wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

First off their freedom will infringe on others' because then other people cant post what they want and look at stuff they want to see.
Second less restrictive rules doesnt mean NO RULES AT ALL

Again, you're saying that people want to look at inappropriate stuff.
I never said that less restrictive rules meant no rules at all.

Actaully in your post you said COMPLETE freedom which bassicly means NO RULES

I don't see the word "complete" anywhere in my post.

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

The whiz is right.  It's not like you have to use scratch, where as you do need to go to school.  Also, you keep saying you're not the minority on this topic, but so far only one or two people have sided with you and no one on the scratch team is speaking against you.  Those in charge aren't speaking up because we're agreeing with them and speaking for them.  In other words, you are the minority on this topic.  By the way, I'm 15 and disagree with you, so stop talking like anyone who's your age and up agrees with you.

As a guy of 14, I agree.

Kileymeister wrote:

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

The whiz is right.  It's not like you have to use scratch, where as you do need to go to school.  Also, you keep saying you're not the minority on this topic, but so far only one or two people have sided with you and no one on the scratch team is speaking against you.  Those in charge aren't speaking up because we're agreeing with them and speaking for them.  In other words, you are the minority on this topic.  By the way, I'm 15 and disagree with you, so stop talking like anyone who's your age and up agrees with you.

As a guy of 14, I agree.

I also agree, but I'm only a girl of 12!
Sanddude, Spagetticat (Who I believe to be a seperate account of sanddudes),
If you guys ant to curse, and have inappropreit content, fine. Take it somewhere else.  Scratch was created to be a nice, Friendly for all-ages site. If this were to happen, then all heck would break loos, trolls, spammers, etc. would flood this site, and it will be a complete wreck. Even a little less restriction would be enough: They would still make scratch a horrible site. It would simply be a wasteland of... mleh.
I am going to ask the question: Is it better for older kids to view younger kid stuff, or for younger kids to view mature stuff, and I mean mature like "rated M."
As someone else who's user I have forgotton said: The students at MI can be spending their time studying, or something. They don't HAVE t be doing this: Why are you trying to make them change the rules? They have enough to worry about.
I apologize for any and all spelling errors in this post.
Thank you for our time,
-Star

Spaghetticat wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

What you have to understand (sanddude), is that everybody should, and will be treated equally on Scratch. That means, that having any type of filters to block certain projects or comments etc. is not going to happen. It would simply be unfair to the community. Everything on Scratch needs to be appropriate for everyone - including younger ones.

But having to accomadate ALL your projects would be unfair to people because they cant post what they want and the filter isnt the save all miracle its actually FLAWED you can flag a project if you dont like somebody

it's unfair that you get to post your projects here in the first place! MIT gave us, the people of scratch, this boatload of server space! we can upload as many projects as we want! we can post in the forums! MIT doesn't have to do this! they chose to! if you can't be grateful that you have scratch at all, then post whatever you want on your own site. And if you flag something because you don't like somebody, the scratch team doesn't have to delete it. they only delete it if it should be deleted.
also, to repeat what I said earlier,

16Skittles wrote:

sanddude wrote:

pika100chu wrote:

I agree with that. What makes it appropriate for older kids if it's not appropriate for the younger? I dare you to try answering that!

There might be a comedy video that says a bad word. The younger kids don't know that they shouldn't repeat it, but the older kids do. The older kids are more mature and can handle more mature things.

and that's an oxymoron. somebody posted the video. somebody said it. somebody clearly wasn't responsible enough not to post it. and this is the kicker. if you think you're mature enough not to repeat it, what makes typing it in on scratch any better? something like that has to be posted by somebody.
being allowed to swear etc. would basicly promote flaming. you can flame and troll and not be punished for it.
as said before, it is unfair in our favor that we have scratch. the scratch team is people who go to school at MIT. they could be spending their time studying. they could spend their time doing homework. but instead, they make scratch and share it with the world. they don't need to make scratch. but they do anyways.

Last edited by 16Skittles (2010-06-27 09:53:16)

Spaghetticat wrote:

wiimaster wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

Everyone has their own picture of "appropriate" and "innapropriate".Only using 1 goup of people point of veiw is not freindly and is unfair.

Think of it like this:

Which is worse, a older kid seeing things that are appropriate for all ages but with no innapropriate stuff, or a younger kid seeing things that are innapropriate? Hm?

So your saying, we should let younger kids see nudity, violence, rasism, sexism, homophobic content, blood and gore, swearing, and scary images and projects just because some group of fools think its fun?

If we let any Scratcher post anything 'because they want to post it' then who knows what will come up on this site! Horrible things....

If we had complete 'Freedom' on this site it would be Chaos. Literally. Innapropriate projects everywhere. Violence. Blood splats on the screen. Projects that are only just a bunch of swearwords listed (Seriously I've seen them). The forums would have no moderation and flame wars would be everywhere, beyond out control, never to die down. There would be hackings constantly. Threats constantly. People would be allowed to give away phone, email, and where they live as they please. Scratch would be paradise to hackers, spammers, trolls and fools who want to post innapropriate stuff because they think its fun.

That is not what Scratch is and never will be. So keep dreaming of 'less restrictive rules' if you want, but it will never happen.

Thanks for your time. 
                               -Wiimaster

First off you did another wors case scenario.You must think ALL people on scratch are COMPLETE DEMONS!!!!!!!!Nobody does all that unless they have some mental problems.And i never said NO moderation I said LIMITED moderation so that racist sexist gorey stuff would not be a problem .The homophobic comment was just mean there is NOTHING wrong withe being homosexual wich brings me back to the "innapropriate varys" comment.What does hacking have to do with less restrictive rules scratch could be hacked with the exact same rules it already had because hackers dont car ebaout rules.Less restrictive rules dont hurt anybody no rules does.

Thanks for your time. 
                               -Spaghetticat

Worst case scenario? No. That WOULD happen. You don't know what some people want to do but can't. But when you let them, they will!!!!! If you don't think that would happen, than you must have NO IDEA what trolls want to post. Even if we for some strange reason let people post swearwords on scratch, there is no way to have swearwords allowed, but keep it kid friendly and 'Teen Friendly' (which is stupid).

If we lower the restrictions, It will allow more than just swearwords. More bad stuff you've probably never seen!



PS: When did I say anything about demons going on a kids programming website 

PW132 wrote:

HEY, whoa, whoa whoa...I detect flame wars coming up...and POSSIBLY somebody helping them...

  I think that post just there may start a flame war too 

We are just debating. No hatred here. Or at least in what I'm posting, I'm not hating anyone.

Okay, while I do think much of Spaghetticat's statements are rubbish, I do agree with one thing, and one thing only. Troll's have been terribly boxed-in. (that's good) Now, let me tell you all a story. (A real one.) Once, there was a game called BZFlag. It was freeware, and had a fairly good community. At the age of about 8 or so, a user called "Marty McFly" joined. (me) It was great. A small, small SMALL amount of trolls, and good mod's too keep it all TOGETHER. Fast-Forwards, meh, 2-3 years forward. Things were getting kinda iffy. The amount of trolls were rising, hackers were getting in, etc. On average every week I played BZFlag, I saw 1 or 2 trolls. Then, it took a turn for the worse. EVEN more trolls got in, more people LEFT, and, even worse, the mods were getting REALLY impatient. Then, I just 1 or 2 months ago. I was playing along, and my account got stolen. Now that game is heading where 4Chan and Roblox are heading. The End. Now, it is quite possible that this is where Scratch is heading. If we were to open the floodgates, BOOM!

Last edited by PW132 (2010-06-27 11:14:21)

Blade-Edge wrote:

Trolls have been boxed in, sure, this is all good and stuff. But what about the new members?

That is a terribly good question.

wiimaster wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

wiimaster wrote:

Think of it like this:

Which is worse, a older kid seeing things that are appropriate for all ages but with no innapropriate stuff, or a younger kid seeing things that are innapropriate? Hm?

So your saying, we should let younger kids see nudity, violence, rasism, sexism, homophobic content, blood and gore, swearing, and scary images and projects just because some group of fools think its fun?

If we let any Scratcher post anything 'because they want to post it' then who knows what will come up on this site! Horrible things....

If we had complete 'Freedom' on this site it would be Chaos. Literally. Innapropriate projects everywhere. Violence. Blood splats on the screen. Projects that are only just a bunch of swearwords listed (Seriously I've seen them). The forums would have no moderation and flame wars would be everywhere, beyond out control, never to die down. There would be hackings constantly. Threats constantly. People would be allowed to give away phone, email, and where they live as they please. Scratch would be paradise to hackers, spammers, trolls and fools who want to post innapropriate stuff because they think its fun.

That is not what Scratch is and never will be. So keep dreaming of 'less restrictive rules' if you want, but it will never happen.

Thanks for your time. 
                               -Wiimaster

First off you did another wors case scenario.You must think ALL people on scratch are COMPLETE DEMONS!!!!!!!!Nobody does all that unless they have some mental problems.And i never said NO moderation I said LIMITED moderation so that racist sexist gorey stuff would not be a problem .The homophobic comment was just mean there is NOTHING wrong withe being homosexual wich brings me back to the "innapropriate varys" comment.What does hacking have to do with less restrictive rules scratch could be hacked with the exact same rules it already had because hackers dont car ebaout rules.Less restrictive rules dont hurt anybody no rules does.

Thanks for your time. 
                               -Spaghetticat

Worst case scenario? No. That WOULD happen. You don't know what some people want to do but can't. But when you let them, they will!!!!! If you don't think that would happen, than you must have NO IDEA what trolls want to post. Even if we for some strange reason let people post swearwords on scratch, there is no way to have swearwords allowed, but keep it kid friendly and 'Teen Friendly' (which is stupid).

If we lower the restrictions, It will allow more than just swearwords. More bad stuff you've probably never seen!



PS: When did I say anything about demons going on a kids programming website 

I said you must think a bunch of jerks and complete demons are on scarcth if THATS you scenarrio.Again I said LIMITED MODERATION!Limited means anything that might vaugely seem innapropriate will not be taken off but stuff thats actually harmful will.And what do you mean "I've never seen"For your information i have been on sites with NO rules or the rules aren't properly and i agree there was MASS CHAOS!BUT IM SAYING LIMITED RULES NOT TOTTALY RESTRICTIVE RULES THAT ARE COMPLETE RUBBISH((trust me i've seen em on many sites))

Spaghetticat wrote:

Star_the_fox wrote:

Kileymeister wrote:

As a guy of 14, I agree.

I also agree, but I'm only a girl of 12!
Sanddude, Spagetticat (Who I believe to be a seperate account of sanddudes),
If you guys ant to curse, and have inappropreit content, fine. Take it somewhere else.  Scratch was created to be a nice, Friendly for all-ages site. If this were to happen, then all heck would break loos, trolls, spammers, etc. would flood this site, and it will be a complete wreck. Even a little less restriction would be enough: They would still make scratch a horrible site. It would simply be a wasteland of... mleh.
I am going to ask the question: Is it better for older kids to view younger kid stuff, or for younger kids to view mature stuff, and I mean mature like "rated M."
As someone else who's user I have forgotton said: The students at MI can be spending their time studying, or something. They don't HAVE t be doing this: Why are you trying to make them change the rules? They have enough to worry about.
I apologize for any and all spelling errors in this post.
Thank you for our time,
-Star

Again I said LIMITED MODERATION!Limited means anything that might vaugely seem innapropriate will not be taken off but stuff thats actually harmful will.

Still, there are little kids on this site, and while vaguely inappropriate things might not bother YOU, what will little kids think? You're not the only person on this site! As you said yourself, there are many different definitions of inappropriate; you have to abide by the rules of what defines inappropriate for the youngest people.

The-Whiz wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

Star_the_fox wrote:

I also agree, but I'm only a girl of 12!
Sanddude, Spagetticat (Who I believe to be a seperate account of sanddudes),
If you guys ant to curse, and have inappropreit content, fine. Take it somewhere else.  Scratch was created to be a nice, Friendly for all-ages site. If this were to happen, then all heck would break loos, trolls, spammers, etc. would flood this site, and it will be a complete wreck. Even a little less restriction would be enough: They would still make scratch a horrible site. It would simply be a wasteland of... mleh.
I am going to ask the question: Is it better for older kids to view younger kid stuff, or for younger kids to view mature stuff, and I mean mature like "rated M."
As someone else who's user I have forgotton said: The students at MI can be spending their time studying, or something. They don't HAVE t be doing this: Why are you trying to make them change the rules? They have enough to worry about.
I apologize for any and all spelling errors in this post.
Thank you for our time,
-Star

Again I said LIMITED MODERATION!Limited means anything that might vaugely seem innapropriate will not be taken off but stuff thats actually harmful will.

Still, there are little kids on this site, and while vaguely inappropriate things might not bother YOU, what will little kids think? You're not the only person on this site! As you said yourself, there are many different definitions of inappropriate; you have to abide by the rules of what defines inappropriate for the youngest people.

Even young children have their own definition of "innapropriate" as well.Vaugely innapropriate things  they may not even be able to detect or care about.

wiimaster wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

wiimaster wrote:

Worst case scenario? No. That WOULD happen. You don't know what some people want to do but can't. But when you let them, they will!!!!! If you don't think that would happen, than you must have NO IDEA what trolls want to post. Even if we for some strange reason let people post swearwords on scratch, there is no way to have swearwords allowed, but keep it kid friendly and 'Teen Friendly' (which is stupid).

If we lower the restrictions, It will allow more than just swearwords. More bad stuff you've probably never seen!



PS: When did I say anything about demons going on a kids programming website 

I said you must think a bunch of jerks and complete demons are on scarcth if THATS you scenarrio.Again I said LIMITED MODERATION!Limited means anything that might vaugely seem innapropriate will not be taken off but stuff thats actually harmful will.And what do you mean "I've never seen"For your information i have been on sites with NO rules or the rules aren't properly and i agree there was MASS CHAOS!BUT IM SAYING LIMITED RULES NOT TOTTALY RESTRICTIVE RULES THAT ARE COMPLETE RUBBISH((trust me i've seen em on many sites))

Ummm

Ok then...?

Limited rules wouldn't do much good either... there would still be innapropriate stuff?

And yes, I do think a bunch of jerks and complete demons are on Scratch because its true and we can't let them get what they want: The ability to post innapropriate stuff, no matter how limited.

I cant belive this.....would you people just listen to me for 5 seconds?
What do you mean when you say no matter how limited.I think of limited as being able to use words like stu.pid and dum.b and not get flagged for it and being able to gie criticism without being slammed not cursing like a sailor.