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Ubuntu font is better 

Hardmath123 wrote:

Still pretty bad, though.

I vote for "/" for division. You can use the text "combine with" for combine with...

I agree (12 / 3 * 5 - (20 + 5))%. XD

it's the font's problem, they cannot change it

Or Alt-Question Mark on Mac

Jens wrote:

Hard to beat Smalltalk 

That's another one.  The great languages are the ones that have one central idea, at a high level of abstraction, and really run with it:

Lisp            functions
Prolog          relations
APL             vectors
ISETL           sets
Smalltalk       smart data, messsage passing

By contrast, languages such as C, C++, Java, Python, Perl, Fortran, even Javascript, are fundamentally about a low-level representation of computer hardware.  Some of them graft on higher level abstractions (even BYOB, which grafted functions onto low-level Scratch, but not Snap!, whose functions are at the heart of the evaluator), with greater or lesser degrees of succcess.

Those low-level languages are hugely successful for a decade or so, then give way to another, almost-indistinguishable language that becomes hugely successful.  The great languages are never hugely popular, but they last forever (except for APL, done in by its character set, ahead of its time).

Last edited by bharvey (2012-02-22 13:56:48)

@jens & bharvey
Congratulations for the new born Snap! features :
- clean up script area (right click) works fine.
- duplicate script
- make a block, delete, edit , duplicate (should be a associated with a "rename" feature.
- layers, sprite size , etc
- SAVE works (only the second time)
- but OPEN does not work. Snap! stays on Stage status. No Sprites.

xly wrote:

- but OPEN does not work. Snap! stays on Stage status. No Sprites.

Is the project you're opening one that you saved with this same version?

If not, please try that.  If so, please post your project (you can just copy and paste the URL after saving or loading).

bharvey wrote:

Or, maybe I should just say, what do you like about it?

I'll be honest, I love the indent interpretation. So much easier than putting a bunch of "{" "}"s all the time. The libraries are pretty awesome, and the community is very helpful.

The reason I left it in the end is lack of documentation.

rdococ wrote:

Hardmath123 wrote:

bharvey wrote:

I didn't mean to accuse you of forging the picture!  I just want you to check if the same thing happens for you again, or if this was a one-time phenomenon.

Ok, I guess I must have accidentally used "÷", but I think this leads us to at least something to notice... Spot the ÷ and the +:
http://www.imgpaste.com/oZMQ.png
http://www.imgpaste.com/A80q.png

The bottom one is the ÷ sign. There's a gap, but it's smaller than a pixel.

Nope! It's the top one. 

Going to regional science fair in the computer science category today! Wish me luck! 

shadow_7283 wrote:

Going to regional science fair in the computer science category today! Wish me luck! 

May the force be with you. 

@rdococ: What? It's the top one, honestly...    (font on FF 3.1 Mac).

bharvey wrote:

BornAgainAtheist wrote:

I get extremely defensive of python, I love python 

Python's okay, except for the whitespace thing and except for using = to mean assignment.  But what big idea does it add that's different from, say, Javascript or Objective C?  Or, maybe I should just say, what do you like about it?

(Don't say "import antigravity.") 

you can read the code even if you didn't write it, and it's easy to learn?

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

Going to regional science fair in the computer science category today! Wish me luck! 

Luck!  What's your project?

The Effect of Code Optimization on Run-time and Energy Costs    I think it went well, but I'll find out for sure later tonight.