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This is a great novel  . I like the idea, though I think it could take some getting used to. Like you pointed out, few users use the tag feature, including me.

There is one question I have about this system. You mentioned that Top Loved projects tend to be so because someone says "Please love-it!" How will your system change this? Can't someone still say "Please Game-Favorite Tag this!"?

Thanks!

shadow_7283 wrote:

There is one question I have about this system. You mentioned that Top Loved projects tend to be so because someone says "Please love-it!" How will your system change this? Can't someone still say "Please Game-Favorite Tag this!"?

I don't think that will happen as often because people will be adding tags with the purpose of organizing their favorites page- projects they want to see again and promote to others with keywords that make sense to them.

(Me going blah, blah, blah:  If it's an issue, perhaps add a 'call to action' with the "Tagged Favorites" picker?:
"If you like this project, choose keywords that describe it, so you can find it easier later and promote it to others!"  ...so that all projects are treated equal in this regard?

Perhaps the "Love it" purpose is that sometimes people want to show appreciation, without putting it in front of all their favorites.
By being able using additional tags like "awesome" and perhaps the ability to rearrange favorites, you can remember and promote the good, notable and awesome accordingly.)

Last edited by AddZero (2010-04-05 23:13:29)

I like the idea, but you kind of lost me half way through.

Personally, (and this is just me) I think the Top Viewed has some of the same issues that the Top Loved category has. An interesting thumbnail is all that takes it to the front page, and viewing it has no direct consequence on the user viewing it.

I think that it should be replaced by "Top Taged" in general. No specifics, just Top Taged. I also think that there should be seperate Top Taged spaces for each commen tag category. So Project Top Tagged "Art" (or something like that) and Project Top Tagged "Game". That way, all these wars about there being too much art on the front page might be settled.

As for collaborations, I think I really just want a modified gallery system. Nothing too fancy, just a couple minor changes.

For one, I'd like the message system to be modified so that all users recieve a message when a collaboration page is commented on IF THEY CHOOSE. I'd also like the projects to be organizable (I think that's a word  ) so that you could put what you'd like most at the front.

Lastly, I think themes would be a really cool thing to have, for collaboration pages and user pages. A theme would add a little color to the current bland pages, and would create room for a little personilization (I'm not talking about anything major like HTML though). But I realize that this isn't directly related to this topic and is only one of my personal wants.

shadow_7283, good ideas for collaboration! agreed.

BWOG, It's alright.  I would have a hard time getting through a wall of text like that.
I do better with pictures, so I'll make some...  It might be a few days, so someone else is welcome to.

GirWaffles64 wrote:

Support, but a bit confusing.

What part is confusing?  I'll try to explain it better.

BWOG wrote:

I like the idea, but you kind of lost me half way through.

GirWaffles64 wrote:

Support, but a bit confusing.

Lucario621 wrote:

Maybe make it a bit less longer lol?

ok, I'll try:

"Tagged Favorites" replaces Tags, Galleries, Love Its, and Favorites.

Let's say you're on a new cool racing game project. on the side you see:

Tagged Favorites:  Add to your favorites with a tag by pressing "[+]"
  Public tags:
    Game                      (by 1) [+]
  Group tags:
    FrozenGames Inc.     (by 1)

  Add to your favorites with another tag:
    [ type or choose a tag here...    ][\/]

it's already tagged as "Game" by the author.  (the author also added it to "FrozenGames Inc." that he belongs to.)

By clicking on a [+] next to the "game" tag in the project.
You're saying:  I love this, and I want to add it to my favorites with the category "game" with the other games in my favorites.


You also notice that it's a really cool example of a "racing" game, and you want to grow your racing game collection, so you click the button next to

[ type or choose a tag here...    ][\/]

and you see a drop down that you can pick from:

Your most used tags:
Racing
Bicycling
Fire
Popular tags:
Animation
Simulation
Story
Maze
Groups you belong to:
UltraGames Inc

and you pick "Racing"
Now other people that like racing can go to the "Racing" tag page by clicking on "Racing" from other racing games or other places, and also see this project in "recently "racing" tagged projects"

They see it and want to add it to their collection.

The tag page for "Racing" is like the front page, but just for projects tagged with "Racing".  It shows:
- recently "racing" tagged projects.
- top tagged "racing" projects.
- suggested "racing" projects. (if you also tend to use the tag "mario", mario racing games would show here.)

Let's look at the project tags again a little later:

Tagged Favorites:  Add to your favorites with a tag by pressing "[+]"
  Public tags:
    Game            (by 18 and you) [-]
    Scrolling                     (by 8) [+]
    Racing            (by 4 and you) [-]
    Techno Music             (by 2) [+]
    Banana                       (by 1) [+]

  Group tags:
    FrozenGames Inc.         (by 4)
    ScratchTeamFeatured * (by 1)

  Add to your favorites with another tag:
    [ type or choose a tag here...    ][\/]

See, more people added it to their favorites with various tags.

Silly/irrelevant tags like "Banana" might be added, but I think people will tend to choose tags that are helpful to managing their collection of projects. People looking for Bannana projects in the banana page, would see this in "recently tagged as 'Bannana' but not vote it up with the "Bannana" tag. So it won't get much attention there.

If someone tags as "Banana!!!!!!!" it would be merged with "Banana" by suggesting or by moderators.

Notice the user had added it to "FrozenGames Inc." that they belong to.  Now it's also added by 3 other members.  You're not a member so you can't confirm that tag.  But you can click it and watch them discuss their projects, and you can request membership, but you can't discuss with them unless they confirm you as a member or allow public commenting.

Also notice that the scratch team featured it! (* to show that it's an admin group.)

Does this make sense now?

Last edited by AddZero (2010-04-07 21:20:33)

I don't really support. I think the current system is fine.

Something just occured to me though. Users might like one or two art projects A LOT and tag favorite it, but if they don't like all art in general, they will still be stuck with the art projects affecting them. Do you have a way you plan to work around this?

shadow_7283 wrote:

Something just occured to me though. Users might like one or two art projects A LOT and tag favorite it, but if they don't like all art in general, they will still be stuck with the art projects affecting them. Do you have a way you plan to work around this?

Thanks for considering this.

So, tags only 'affect' users as much as they use it.

For example, this is on the side of SomeScratchers' favorites page:

SomeScratcher's favorite tags:
game        50
simulation 43
pokemon  30
racing      12
platformer 8
mario        5
art            2

(The number is how many projects are in that tag for that user's favorites.)
You can click "art" to see just the 2 "art" projects they like.

Now we're logged in as SomeScratcher. 
On the front page and tag pages, there's a section for "Suggested projects"

On the front page, it may suggest "art" projects to Somescratcher occasionally, but not near as often as game, simulation, pokemon, racing...

When visiting the "pokemon" tag page, "Suggested projects" may occasionally suggest "pokemon art" projects to SomeScratcher, but it would be more likely to show "pokemon games", "pokemon simulations" "pokemon racing" pokemon platformers" ... first.

If they visited the "art" public tag, then it would suggest "game art" "simulation art" "pokemon art" "racing art" if they exist... in that priority.

Does that make sense?

Last edited by AddZero (2010-04-10 17:31:50)

AWESOME.

This would be awesome.

I think it's almost perfect.

this would be great, hopefully everyone would use it properly though
i'd like this system because sometimes people like certain types of games and if i were to choose a tag for a specific kind of game such as puzzle games then i could find other games that suited my interest.

BUMP! The Scratch Team NEEDS to look at this.