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#26 2010-02-26 16:05:32
Re: My computer's sick.
Norton's horrible D:
It never detected a single virus.
And then it stopped working completely and wouldn't let me scan a single thing.
Then it started causing problems with things so I uninstalled it.
Anyway, I got Spybot and I'm running a scan right now.
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#28 2010-02-26 18:06:59
Re: My computer's sick.
yeah there are some advanced viruses that are impossible to remove from your computer, you could possibly try running command prompt to remove those files in particular, it might work due to that it is a more manual approach while in windows you can hack it so it will block actions to files
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#29 2010-02-27 06:40:08
- markyparky56
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Re: My computer's sick.
Norton isn't horrible, its blocked every virus attack on my computer (All of 3 of them) My conclusion, you didn't let it up date its self (Maybe your internet security settings were to high or something, idk) or you were doing things you shouldn't have and click on something, (Strangely the answer to this is "No i wasn't doing anything, it just happened!" or something along those lines) Or you just have terriable anti-virus.
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#30 2010-02-27 12:22:52
Re: My computer's sick.
markyparky56 wrote:
Norton isn't horrible, its blocked every virus attack on my computer (All of 3 of them) My conclusion, you didn't let it up date its self (Maybe your internet security settings were to high or something, idk) or you were doing things you shouldn't have and click on something, (Strangely the answer to this is "No i wasn't doing anything, it just happened!" or something along those lines) Or you just have terriable anti-virus.
Nope.
Norton one day just stopped working completely.
It's because my computer got a glitch because someone in my family accidentally shut down the computer while updating.
Then after that, Norton kept on trying to update itself, but failed everytime, causing it to basically stop working.
@Dingdong,
do you have any idea what files I should remove?
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#31 2010-02-27 16:22:27
Re: My computer's sick.
yeah norton was good briefly, now it is once amongst the worst security software programs
well no, but I'm guessing AVG marked which files are the problems, so you can use the link to find them (C:\***\***\***...)
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#32 2010-02-27 16:29:46
Re: My computer's sick.
If Chrome doesn't open at all, try renaming Chrome.exe or whatever and renaming it to Chrome.com, see what the virus has the power to block.
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#33 2010-02-27 18:50:22
- soupoftomato
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Re: My computer's sick.
fanofcena wrote:
Its not a virus its a trojan first off second to test the presence of the malware lets perform a test.
IF U ARE USING WINDOWS
Restart ur system and while its starting press "F8 or F5" till you get to the advanced windows boot menu from there select . DIRECTORY SERVICES REPAIR MODE . let the system boot if messages appear click on yes browse the internet( you will lose skins though) If everything is right u wont have the malware.
the problem could also be caused due to what we say BLIND installtions so u just might have installed something xtra with somethingi hope your problem gets solved soon .
Isn't a Trojan, when they disguise the virus as a program trying to notify you of viruses, but actually are viruses.
Named after the horse thing in the Trojans did.
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#34 2010-02-27 20:10:27
Re: My computer's sick.
soupoftomato wrote:
fanofcena wrote:
Its not a virus its a trojan first off second to test the presence of the malware lets perform a test.
IF U ARE USING WINDOWS
Restart ur system and while its starting press "F8 or F5" till you get to the advanced windows boot menu from there select . DIRECTORY SERVICES REPAIR MODE . let the system boot if messages appear click on yes browse the internet( you will lose skins though) If everything is right u wont have the malware.
the problem could also be caused due to what we say BLIND installtions so u just might have installed something xtra with somethingIsn't a Trojan, when they disguise the virus as a program trying to notify you of viruses, but actually are viruses.
Named after the horse thing in the Trojans did.
No. The Trojans were the people who fell for it. The Greeks were the smart people.
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#35 2010-02-27 21:27:01
Re: My computer's sick.
lol.
Actually, although this trojan is annoying, it doesn't really affect anything too much.
I mean, I can still use Mozilla, and the random links only come up around an hour or so.
And AVG automatically blocks any threats from it.
So yeah.
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#36 2010-03-01 11:32:33
- markyparky56
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Re: My computer's sick.
mkolpnji wrote:
markyparky56 wrote:
Norton isn't horrible, its blocked every virus attack on my computer (All of 3 of them) My conclusion, you didn't let it up date its self (Maybe your internet security settings were to high or something, idk) or you were doing things you shouldn't have and click on something, (Strangely the answer to this is "No i wasn't doing anything, it just happened!" or something along those lines) Or you just have terriable anti-virus.
Nope.
Norton one day just stopped working completely.
It's because my computer got a glitch because someone in my family accidentally shut down the computer while updating.
Then after that, Norton kept on trying to update itself, but failed everytime, causing it to basically stop working.
@Dingdong,
do you have any idea what files I should remove?
Well then its not Nortons fault, and you have no reason to say its horrible, Norton is only a program, it simply follows instructions, computers are very think (In the words of my computing teacher) All they can do is do stuff with 1's and 0's which can turn into very amazing things, but! thats not my point. If you turn something off when its doing something, you are likely going to muck the computer, and/or the program its running at that point, up. So its the person which was using the computer at-that-point's fault.
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#37 2010-03-01 13:26:06
- coolperson
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Re: My computer's sick.
I'm thiking that it has somthing to do with what you searched on google at one point. Alot of searches have trjan horses in them. I suggest to get a virus scanner, (ex: norton anti-virus, spybot, ect.) If you can help it, do [i]not[/i hire a repair man. A virus was on my computer one time, we hired a repair man, and he put a conterfit windows xp on my computer.
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#38 2010-03-01 13:31:39
- markyparky56
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Re: My computer's sick.
coolperson wrote:
I'm thiking that it has somthing to do with what you searched on google at one point. Alot of searches have trjan horses in them. I suggest to get a virus scanner, (ex: norton anti-virus, spybot, ect.) If you can help it, do [i]not[/i hire a repair man. A virus was on my computer one time, we hired a repair man, and he put a conterfit windows xp on my computer.
So he didn't repair your computer. XD
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#39 2010-03-03 20:01:21
Re: My computer's sick.
I'm glad to say that no traces of the virus are now on my computer.
It just dissapeared yesterday.
Yes.
It dissapeared, I did not remove it.
Here is my new log:
O1 - Hosts: ::1 localhost
O2 - BHO: Yahoo! Toolbar Helper - {02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHelperStub - {18DF081C-E8AD-4283-A596-FA578C2EBDC3} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelperShim.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {1E8A6170-7264-4D0F-BEAE-D42A53123C75} - (no file)
O2 - BHO: BitComet ClickCapture - {39F7E362-828A-4B5A-BCAF-5B79BFDFEA60} - C:\Program Files\BitComet\tools\BitCometBHO_1.1.11.30.dll
O2 - BHO: WormRadar.com IESiteBlocker.NavFilter - {3CA2F312-6F6E-4B53-A66E-4E65E497C8C0} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgssie.dll
O2 - BHO: Spybot-S&D IE Protection - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Groove GFS Browser Helper - {72853161-30C5-4D22-B7F9-0BBC1D38A37E} - C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office12\GrooveShellExtensions.dll
O2 - BHO: ShowBarObj Class - {83A2F9B1-01A2-4AA5-87D1-45B6B8505E96} - C:\Windows\system32\ActiveToolBand.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - C:\Program Files\Google\Google Toolbar\GoogleToolbar_32.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Notifier BHO - {AF69DE43-7D58-4638-B6FA-CE66B5AD205D} - C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\5.5.4723.1820\swg.dll
O2 - BHO: MSN Toolbar Helper - {d2ce3e00-f94a-4740-988e-03dc2f38c34f} - C:\Program Files\MSN\Toolbar\3.0.0983.0\msneshellx.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Acer eDataSecurity Management - {5CBE3B7C-1E47-477e-A7DD-396DB0476E29} - C:\Windows\system32\eDStoolbar.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Yahoo! Toolbar - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
O3 - Toolbar: MSN Toolbar - {1E61ED7C-7CB8-49d6-B9E9-AB4C880C8414} - C:\Program Files\MSN\Toolbar\3.0.0983.0\msneshellx.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Google Toolbar - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - C:\Program Files\Google\Google Toolbar\GoogleToolbar_32.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Windows Defender] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender\MSASCui.exe -hide
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RtHDVCpl] RtHDVCpl.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Empowering Technology Monitor] C:\Acer\Empowering Technology\SysMonitor.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [eDataSecurity Loader] C:\Acer\Empowering Technology\eDataSecurity\eDSloader.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PCMMediaSharing] C:\Program Files\Acer Arcade Live\Acer HomeMedia Connect\Kernel\DMS\PCMMediaSharing.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] "C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Product Registration] "C:\Program Files\Acer Registration\ACE1.exe" /startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Assist Launcher] C:\Program Files\Acer Assist\launcher.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PlayMovie] "C:\Program Files\Acer Arcade Live\Acer PlayMovie\PMVService.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Tour Reminder] C:\Acer\AcerTour\Reminder.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Google Desktop Search] "C:\Program Files\Google\Google Desktop Search\GoogleDesktop.exe" /startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TkBellExe] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe" -osboot
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [HP Software Update] C:\Program Files\HP\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GrooveMonitor] "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office12\GrooveMonitor.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AppleSyncNotifier] C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\AppleSyncNotifier.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTTask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EnvyHFCPL] C:\Program Files\VIA\VIAudioi\EnvyADeck\EnMixCPL.exe 1
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ISTray] "C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsTray.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EvidenceSmart.exe] C:\Program Files\Evidence Smart\EvidenceSmart.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher] "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 9.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG9_TRAY] C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG9\avgtray.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ParetoLogic Anti-Virus PLUS] "C:\Program Files\ParetoLogic\Anti-Virus PLUS\Pareto_AV.lnk" -NM -hidesplash
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [WMPNSCFG] C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\WMPNSCFG.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [SpybotSD TeaTimer] C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\TeaTimer.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Google Update] "C:\Users\Jay\AppData\Local\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe" /c
O4 - HKCU\..\RunOnce: [Shockwave Updater] C:\Windows\system32\Adobe\Shockwave 11\SwHelper_1150596.exe -Update -1150596 -"Mozilla/5.0_(Windows;_U;_Windows_NT_6.0;_en-US)_AppleWebKit/532.0_(KHTML,_like_Gecko)_Chrome/3.0.195.38_Safari/532.0" -"http://www.neopets.com/games/dgs/play_shockwave.phtml?va=&game_id=330&nc_referer=&age=1&hiscore=&sp=0&questionSet=&r=1271180&width=740&height=500&quality=high"
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /detectMem (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [WindowsWelcomeCenter] rundll32.exe oobefldr.dll,ShowWelcomeCenter (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /detectMem (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - Startup: OneNote 2007 Screen Clipper and Launcher.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office12\ONENOTEM.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: Empowering Technology Launcher.lnk = ?
O4 - Global Startup: HP Digital Imaging Monitor.lnk = C:\Program Files\HP\Digital Imaging\bin\hpqtra08.exe
O4 - Global Startup: VPN Client.lnk = ?
O8 - Extra context menu item: &D&ownload &with BitComet - res://C:\Program Files\BitComet\BitComet.exe/AddLink.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: &D&ownload all video with BitComet - res://C:\Program Files\BitComet\BitComet.exe/AddVideo.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: &D&ownload all with BitComet - res://C:\Program Files\BitComet\BitComet.exe/AddAllLink.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Add to Google Photos Screensa&ver - res://C:\Windows\system32\GPhotos.scr/200
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office12\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O8 - Extra context menu item: Google Sidewiki... - res://C:\Program Files\Google\Google Toolbar\Component\GoogleToolbarDynamic_mui_en_96D6FF0C6D236BF8.dll/cmsidewiki.html
O9 - Extra button: Send to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office12\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: S&end to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office12\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office12\REFIEBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: BitComet - {D18A0B52-D63C-4ed0-AFC6-C1E3DC1AF43A} - res://C:\Program Files\BitComet\tools\BitCometBHO_1.1.11.30.dll/206 (file missing)
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Spybot - Search & Destroy Configuration - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O13 - Gopher Prefix:
O15 - ESC Trusted Zone: http://*.update.microsoft.com
O16 - DPF: {02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B} (QuickTime Object) - http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/QuickTime/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab
O16 - DPF: {C49134CC-B5EF-458C-A442-E8DFE7B4645F} (YYGInstantPlay Control) - http://www.yoyogames.com/downloads/activex/YoYo.cab
O18 - Protocol: grooveLocalGWS - {88FED34C-F0CA-4636-A375-3CB6248B04CD} - C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office12\GrooveSystemServices.dll
O18 - Protocol: linkscanner - {F274614C-63F8-47D5-A4D1-FBDDE494F8D1} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgpp.dll
O20 - AppInit_DLLs: AVGRSSTX.DLL C:\PROGRA~1\GOOGLE\GOOGLE~3\GOEC62~1.DLL
O23 - Service: Acer HomeMedia Connect Service - CyberLink - C:\Program Files\Acer Arcade Live\Acer HomeMedia Connect\Kernel\DMS\CLMSServer.exe
O23 - Service: ePerformance Service (AcerMemUsageCheckService) - Unknown owner - C:\Acer\Empowering Technology\ePerformance\MemCheck.exe
O23 - Service: Apple Mobile Device - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\AppleMobileDeviceService.exe
O23 - Service: Ati External Event Utility - ATI Technologies Inc. - C:\Windows\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
O23 - Service: AVG WatchDog (avg9wd) - AVG Technologies CZ, s.r.o. - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgwdsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Bonjour Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\Bonjour\mDNSResponder.exe
O23 - Service: Cisco Systems, Inc. VPN Service (CVPND) - Cisco Systems, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Cisco Systems\VPN Client\cvpnd.exe
O23 - Service: eDataSecurity Service - HiTRSUT - C:\Acer\Empowering Technology\eDataSecurity\eDSService.exe
O23 - Service: eRecovery Service (eRecoveryService) - Acer Inc. - C:\Acer\Empowering Technology\eRecovery\eRecoveryService.exe
O23 - Service: Google Desktop Manager 5.9.911.3589 (GoogleDesktopManager-110309-193829) - Google - C:\Program Files\Google\Google Desktop Search\GoogleDesktop.exe
O23 - Service: Google Update Service (gupdate) (gupdate) - Google Inc. - C:\Program Files\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe
O23 - Service: Google Software Updater (gusvc) - Google - C:\Program Files\Google\Common\Google Updater\GoogleUpdaterService.exe
O23 - Service: iPod Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
O23 - Service: LibUsb-Win32 - Daemon, Version 0.1.10.1 (libusbd) - http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net - C:\Windows\system32\libusbd-nt.exe
O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Hewlett-Packard Company - C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Cyberlink RichVideo Service(CRVS) (RichVideo) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\CyberLink\Shared Files\RichVideo.exe
O23 - Service: PC Tools Auxiliary Service (sdAuxService) - PC Tools - C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsAuxs.exe
O23 - Service: PC Tools Security Service (sdCoreService) - PC Tools - C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsSvc.exe
O23 - Service: plasservice (ZeppelinService) - ParetoLogic Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\ParetoLogic\PLAS\plasservice.exe
As you can see, there are no more protocol:hijacks 
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#40 2010-03-03 20:09:56
- soupoftomato
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- Registered: 2009-07-18
- Posts: 1000+
Re: My computer's sick.
mkolpnji wrote:
I'm glad to say that no traces of the virus are now on my computer.
It just dissapeared yesterday.
Yes.
It dissapeared, I did not remove it.
Here is my new log:
[removed for space]-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Acer eDataSecurity Management - {5CBE3B7C-1E47-477e-A7DD-396DB0476E29} - C:\Windows\system32\eDStoolbar.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Yahoo! Toolbar - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll
O3 - Toolbar: MSN Toolbar - {1E61ED7C-7CB8-49d6-B9E9-AB4C880C8414} - C:\Program Files\MSN\Toolbar\3.0.0983.0\msneshellx.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Google Toolbar - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - C:\Program Files\Google\Google Toolbar\GoogleToolbar_32.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Windows Defender] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender\MSASCui.exe -hide
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RtHDVCpl] RtHDVCpl.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Empowering Technology Monitor] C:\Acer\Empowering Technology\SysMonitor.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [eDataSecurity Loader] C:\Acer\Empowering Technology\eDataSecurity\eDSloader.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PCMMediaSharing] C:\Program Files\Acer Arcade Live\Acer HomeMedia Connect\Kernel\DMS\PCMMediaSharing.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] "C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Product Registration] "C:\Program Files\Acer Registration\ACE1.exe" /startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Assist Launcher] C:\Program Files\Acer Assist\launcher.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PlayMovie] "C:\Program Files\Acer Arcade Live\Acer PlayMovie\PMVService.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Tour Reminder] C:\Acer\AcerTour\Reminder.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Google Desktop Search] "C:\Program Files\Google\Google Desktop Search\GoogleDesktop.exe" /startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TkBellExe] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe" -osboot
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [HP Software Update] C:\Program Files\HP\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GrooveMonitor] "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office12\GrooveMonitor.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AppleSyncNotifier] C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile [removed for space}
As you can see, there are no more protocol:hijacks
Yes, as I can see . . . ;D
I'm glad to think that the community will always be kind and helpful, the language will always be a fun and easy way to be introduced into programming, the motto will always be: Imagine, Program, Share - Nomolos
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