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#2751 2010-05-20 07:46:18

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Re: Panther development thread

bharvey wrote:

SeptimusHeap wrote:

I like these ones!

Including orange?  smile

We should be able to change the color.


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#2752 2010-05-20 08:56:23

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Re: Panther development thread

I just found scratch last week and learned about panther yesterday.  Any chance that panther includes (or can include in the future) a "set origin at x:    y:   " command that would allow defining of a local coordinate system for each sprite relative to the default that has 0,0 in the center of the screen?  It would make positioning sprites and using the pen easier in many cases.


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#2753 2010-05-20 09:18:16

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Re: Panther development thread

It is certainly an interesting idea, and I'm thrilled that new users are already trying out Panther. I have a feeling though, that this can be easily achieved using a simple varaible system. You would have two varibles, one for Xorigin and one for Yorigin and you could change or set those varaibles. All you then need is to drop a

Code:

(( )+( ))

block into the movevement blocks and drop the X and Y varaibles into it to change the centre.

Code:

[set x to (((Xorigin))+(10))]

would set the x position to the chosen origin point + 10.
Does that work?

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#2754 2010-05-20 09:49:56

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

It is certainly an interesting idea, and I'm thrilled that new users are already trying out Panther. I have a feeling though, that this can be easily achieved using a simple varaible system. You would have two varibles, one for Xorigin and one for Yorigin and you could change or set those varaibles. All you then need is to drop a

Code:

(( )+( ))

block into the movevement blocks and drop the X and Y varaibles into it to change the centre.

Code:

[set x to (((Xorigin))+(10))]

would set the x position to the chosen origin point + 10.
Does that work?

Hi.  Thanks for the reply.  Yes, that works and it's what I am currently doing, but it muddies up the code a bit if that has to be done repeatedly.  I realize it is probably a low-priority feature, but I was hoping one of the developers might have an interest in adding this feature to a future release, time permitting of course.

As an aside, I found Scratch while looking for a way to introduce my 9 year old daughter to programming.  I've only ever dabbled with programming, but I enjoy it immensely and it's something that isn't really taught in school these days.  It's been years since I've done anything, but we're having a great time learning together!  I really appreciate the work the developers of Scratch and Panther are doing.

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#2755 2010-05-20 10:00:24

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Re: Panther development thread

Intersting that you want to introduce your daughter to programming, not particularly conventional, but I do believe that sort of idea very important. As technology becomes further intergrated into our society, Knowing how electronics and programs work becomes increasingly valuable knowlege. I sometimes dispair at my collegues lack of knowledge in anything strongly electronical, one of my tutors does not know what the play, pause and stop symbols look like!

I certainly think that Scratch is an excellent introductory language, and it's still the one I like the most, even now that I have expanded to other languages too. It is simple to usnderstand, yet a surprising amount can be done with it, though not as many things are as first-class as they could be. Another thing that makes scratch so brilliant is that you have a frindly community of thousands of people who will be able to answer almost any question you can think of to do with scratch.

I am obviously tempted to promote Panther right now, as a developer, but I think that if you or she have just started using scratch, it might not be ideal. feel free to look at it, of course, but I recommend leaving Panther as a surprise step when she starts saying things like "I wish I could" or "why is this not a feature" as that is the point where Panther steps in and allows a more interactive system based on all the best parts of Scratch.

I look forward to hearing more from you and am sure you will be a valuable contribution to the community.


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#2756 2010-05-20 10:17:20

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

I am obviously tempted to promote Panther right now, as a developer, but...

... what he clearly needs is BYOB  tongue  so he can write a GO TO MY X: Y: block that does the adding of the origin position invisibly!


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#2757 2010-05-20 10:22:06

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

Another thing that makes scratch so brilliant is that you have a frindly community of thousands of people who will be able to answer almost any question you can think of to do with scratch.

Yes, I was lukewarm about Scratch when I first saw the language (no procedures, leading to horrible spaghetti code in everyone's projects, etc.), but when they showed me the web site I was hooked.  All my effort since then has gone into having my cake and eating it too: a serious programming language, but the Scratch community!


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#2758 2010-05-20 10:23:25

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Re: Panther development thread

... slightly tempted to promote BYOB there bharvey?  tongue


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#2759 2010-05-20 10:58:36

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

... slightly tempted to promote BYOB there bharvey?  tongue

Well, mostly to promote it to you; I'm pointing out that it's one of the things users need, and you guys should incorporate BYOB in Panther.  (My fiendish plan for taking over the world.)


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#2760 2010-05-20 11:13:38

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Re: Panther development thread

@sparks:  I'm a mechanical engineer by education and career choice.  Programming has only played an occassional role in my career, but I've enjoyed it since I had a Commodore 64 as a freshman in highschool.  My company sponsors a highschool intern program each summer, and the kids get to spend a week with each of several different departments.  When they are assigned to us, we spend the week having them work on Sumobots (google it if you're not familiar).  These kids are hand-picked sophomores and juniors ... bright, inquisitive, and personable.  But when it comes to programming the Sumobots they build, they are absolutely lost, even though there are plenty of examples and the coding is not very difficult.  In discussions with these kids, they've pointed out that despite taking advanced ciriculum in highschool and having computers available to them, they never have the opportunity to learn about programming and go through that type of logic exercise.  My goal is not to force my daughter towards a career path, but I'd like her to at least realize that there is more to computers than just being a user.  Scratch gives her a tool that allows her to learn at her own pace, create "cool stuff" without too much difficulty, and learn from examples others have shared.  After one week now, she's comfortable with the interface and has fun making simple, linear programs.  If she wants to do more, I'm there to help.  My interest in Panther is for me  wink   I already see the limitations that exist in Scratch, and at least for now re-sparking my interest in programming is my current favorite hobby! ^_^


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#2761 2010-05-20 11:30:19

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Re: Panther development thread

DB88 wrote:

@sparks:  I'm a mechanical engineer by education and career choice.  Programming has only played an occassional role in my career, but I've enjoyed it since I had a Commodore 64 as a freshman in highschool.  My company sponsors a highschool intern program each summer, and the kids get to spend a week with each of several different departments.  When they are assigned to us, we spend the week having them work on Sumobots (google it if you're not familiar).  These kids are hand-picked sophomores and juniors ... bright, inquisitive, and personable.  But when it comes to programming the Sumobots they build, they are absolutely lost, even though there are plenty of examples and the coding is not very difficult.  In discussions with these kids, they've pointed out that despite taking advanced ciriculum in highschool and having computers available to them, they never have the opportunity to learn about programming and go through that type of logic exercise.  My goal is not to force my daughter towards a career path, but I'd like her to at least realize that there is more to computers than just being a user.  Scratch gives her a tool that allows her to learn at her own pace, create "cool stuff" without too much difficulty, and learn from examples others have shared.  After one week now, she's comfortable with the interface and has fun making simple, linear programs.  If she wants to do more, I'm there to help.  My interest in Panther is for me  wink   I already see the limitations that exist in Scratch, and at least for now re-sparking my interest in programming is my current favorite hobby! ^_^

One satisfied customer/user.  smile


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#2762 2010-05-20 13:37:13

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Re: Panther development thread

Well I'm very happy that you enjoy Panther. As Panthr projects cannot be uploaded to the scratch site, you may like to know that we have our own sharing feature for our users. It's simple to register, here's the link register to share
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Guys, I'm not connected to dropbox here  sad  only got general internet  hmm  but I do have email so I can continue to deal with registrations.

Anything new going on?


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#2763 2010-05-20 13:50:30

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

Well I'm very happy that you enjoy Panther. As Panthr projects cannot be uploaded to the scratch site, you may like to know that we have our own sharing feature for our users. It's simple to register, here's the link register to share
_____________________________________________________________________________
Guys, I'm not connected to dropbox here  sad  only got general internet  hmm  but I do have email so I can continue to deal with registrations.

Anything new going on?

Nothing much, weren't you going to connect me to emails? If you already have, just say so please, because I don't know ATM.


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#2764 2010-05-20 14:19:29

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Re: Panther development thread

Sorry Sperry, should have mentioned that  sad  I think I can cover the emails while i'm here, there are lots of computers so It's probably easier if I keep doing it  smile  thanks for offering to do it though  smile  I'm sure you can do some in a week or so when I go back to switzerland for a week  smile

anyone know how to exit fullscreen in internet explorer? I normally use firefox and a cat just walked over my keyboard and turned it on  tongue


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#2765 2010-05-20 14:31:59

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

Sorry Sperry, should have mentioned that  sad  I think I can cover the emails while i'm here, there are lots of computers so It's probably easier if I keep doing it  smile  thanks for offering to do it though  smile  I'm sure you can do some in a week or so when I go back to switzerland for a week  smile

anyone know how to exit fullscreen in internet explorer? I normally use firefox and a cat just walked over my keyboard and turned it on  tongue

1) I just thought it'd be easier. And I can keep in touch better with the team  smile  . Oh well, never mind.

2) F11  smile


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#2766 2010-05-20 17:46:23

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Re: Panther development thread

Are there any screenshots?


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#2767 2010-05-20 20:35:48

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Re: Panther development thread

Whops...a typo in my glitch report.
Second glitch report, second time I had to post here because of it

I meant Dev Developed, not Featured Projects (there are no featured projects  tongue  ).

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#2768 2010-05-20 21:57:11

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Re: Panther development thread

terminator68 wrote:

Are there any screenshots?

Yes actually there are.


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#2769 2010-05-21 08:21:16

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Re: Panther development thread

terminator68 wrote:

Are there any screenshots?

Why do you need screenshots when its been released?


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#2770 2010-05-21 08:28:03

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

rossyboyfilm wrote:

markyparky56 wrote:


So have I!

OH lol coincidence are you going to put the download links on the panther site?

...Yeah, that's why I wasn't too sure what to do when you told us you'd nade an installer  hmm  Not sure what to do, we might use a mixture of both, though your contribution is certainly apprecaited  smile

Is your (MP and rossyboy) installer effectively ready to go?

We might wait and do a few bug fixes and then release the installer with 1.1? how's that sound?

That sounds good, I can easily make another installer as soon as 1.1 comes out. Have you viewed mine yet...?  big_smile


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#2771 2010-05-21 09:32:57

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Re: Panther development thread

sparks wrote:

rossyboyfilm wrote:

markyparky56 wrote:


So have I!

OH lol coincidence are you going to put the download links on the panther site?

...Yeah, that's why I wasn't too sure what to do when you told us you'd nade an installer  hmm  Not sure what to do, we might use a mixture of both, though your contribution is certainly apprecaited  smile

Is your (MP and rossyboy) installer effectively ready to go?

We might wait and do a few bug fixes and then release the installer with 1.1? how's that sound?

My installers in the dropbox folder. In the folder name Panther Installer. I can make a new one when we release a new version.

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Do I remember you saying that your one has an advert in it?


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#2772 2010-05-21 13:14:18

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Re: Panther development thread

markyparky56 wrote:

sparks wrote:

rossyboyfilm wrote:


OH lol coincidence are you going to put the download links on the panther site?

...Yeah, that's why I wasn't too sure what to do when you told us you'd nade an installer  hmm  Not sure what to do, we might use a mixture of both, though your contribution is certainly apprecaited  smile

Is your (MP and rossyboy) installer effectively ready to go?

We might wait and do a few bug fixes and then release the installer with 1.1? how's that sound?

My installers in the dropbox folder. In the folder name Panther Installer. I can make a new one when we release a new version.

@Rossyboyfilm
Do I remember you saying that your one has an advert in it?

...yes, hardly an "advert", but I have the registered version now so that would be good for 1.1


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#2773 2010-05-21 13:47:57

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Re: Panther development thread

markyparky56 wrote:

@Rossyboyfilm
Do I remember you saying that your one has an advert in it?

Where is the download link for your installer?


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#2774 2010-05-21 15:22:53

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Re: Panther development thread

I'm not on the panther team but I know where it is...

(download panther 1.0)

Is that what you wanted?

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#2775 2010-05-21 15:37:26

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Re: Panther development thread

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

I'm not on the panther team but I know where it is...

(download panther 1.0)

Is that what you wanted?

no wrong link dont worry


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