Scratch

When I send messages (questions or glitches) on the web site, I get a blank screen back.  Are my messages getting through?  This is really disconcerting!

Sperry wrote:

Ready for your big conversation?! 

Aargh I have to go to work now... I think it'll have to
be a weekend before we're all awake and available at the same time -- except then we won't have Jens.  Let me see if I can free up some afternoon time and try to schedule an appointment.

sparks wrote:

markyparky56 wrote:

sparks wrote:

actually, that way, you end up with one photo ever two seconds, one second to open the camera at the start loop, then 0.01 secs to take the photo, then another second to close the camera. You're better off putting the forever inside the dowith loop and that way you will get about 3FPS. (6X faster) (you'll need a [wait(0.01)secs] block in the loop too.)

I get about 1 second frames actualy.
Wait, your ways quicker...

just look at my webcam project in the sample projects folder to see how I did mine.

Can't find it..

Sparks: if you scan a space as large as a camera input 10X a second on scratch it would crash!

our counter tells us we've hit 70 downloads for Panther 1.0!

Last edited by sparks (2010-05-17 12:40:19)

johnnydean1 wrote:

Sperry wrote:

johnnydean1 wrote:

Why is Panther soooo slow!!!

In what aspect do you mean slow? Could you explain better please?

I made a project which keeps scanning a picture aprox 10 times a second and it crashed. It did not break the limit, but it was running so slow it crashed    Ive got to do it again.

Well out TOS says:

In no event shall the authors or copyright holders of Panther or Scratch be liable for any claim, damages or other liability, whether in an action of contract, tort, or otherwise, arising from, out of, or in connection with the software or the use or other dealings in the software.

I think that covers it...

meew0 wrote:

markyparky56 wrote:

meew0 wrote:

http://imgur.com/GJiLB.png

What do you think? That's the message for rebuilding the file menu. 

How did you do that!?

I clicked "edit block" on a block and the browser opened! 

Yeah, I found that aswell...

Oh and for the camera it was at 50% size

Got the source code.

we have hit 80 downloads for Panther!

click on the checkbox next to red in the colors tab and then click it again.

demosthenes wrote:

As I posted on this thread:

SeptimusHeap wrote:

You know it's actually illegal to steal Panther blocks, or even post the code?

  Good day!

It's actually not . . . your "license" means nothing, especially considering you are all (it would seem) minors . . .

Originally I supported the Panther project, but with your continued selfish actions and ridiculous "restrictions" I'm losing my faith in the whole project. You seem under the impression that people using your code is a "bad" thing. That is completely untrue, as Gary Gygax would say, "the greatest form of flattery is imitation" (this quote was recreated from memory, I may be incorrect on some of the wording).

If you really want to talk about the "legalities" of the issue, note that Panther does not abide by the terms of use because it uses the Scratch™ logo when it appears on the Mac OS X dock.

As I quote from the Scratch license

Scratch License wrote:

5. The source code for any Derivative Work based on this software shall be made readily available to the public, ideally on a public web site, free of charge.

and another illuminating quote:

Scratch License wrote:

to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, or distribute the Software or software derived from it ("Derivative Works") for non-commercial purposes, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so

bold is my own.

Thank you for enlightening us on the matter, I apologise for SeptimusHeap's incorrect quote, I had not noticed it.

I'm sorry you are losing faith in Panther, I hope you understand that we actually have nothing against people learning from our code, it's just the people that are blindly copying our work without learning anything, and pasting it into their scratch hack, or sharing it as if it were their own on the site without any form of credit. We've had this problem since before our release where someone got hold of Panther 0.1 and was posting the coding, actually claiming it was their own. I hope you can understand that these experiences make us a little wary. We do, however support the Scratch idea of open source, as we like the idea that people can learn from or work.

I was unaware that the scratch logo appeared on the mac dock, we spent quite some time getting the image to change, but it had been previously untested on a mac. We will be sure to fix this for the next release if at all possible in order to comply to the Scratch Liscence, which we do our best to uphold and respect.

I would like to point out that I am not a minor.

We are aware of the source code release part of the Scratch liscence, but like BYOB, we are currently withholding the source for the same legitimate reason as them: it's not finished.

Finally, in response to your second excerpt of the Scratch liscence, We have given the right to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, or distribute the Software or software derived from it ("Derivative Works") for non-commercial purposes in our terms of service, and just like the Scratch liscence, our condition is that credit be given to Scratch and/or Panther. We are not stopping people from sharing code any more than Scratch is.

If you have any more questions, I will answer them as best I can.

sparks wrote:

Thank you for enlightening us on the matter, I apologise for SeptimusHeap's incorrect quote, I had not noticed it.

It's no problem, I'm just very sensitive about these kind of things 

I'm sorry you are losing faith in Panther, I hope you understand that we actually have nothing against people learning from our code, it's just the people that are blindly copying our work without learning anything, and pasting it into their scratch hack, or sharing it as if it were their own on the site without any form of credit. We've had this problem since before our release where someone got hold of Panther 0.1 and was posting the coding, actually claiming it was their own. I hope you can understand that these experiences make us a little wary. We do, however support the Scratch idea of open source, as we like the idea that people can learn from or work.

I see the source of your concern, but in doing so you cripple the user trying to improve your Panther mod. I think the good outweighs the bad, no "copying" by other users will ever discredit your wonderful job modding Scratch.

I was unaware that the scratch logo appeared on the mac dock, we spent quite some time getting the image to change, but it had been previously untested on a mac. We will be sure to fix this for the next release if at all possible in order to comply to the Scratch Liscence, which we do our best to uphold and respect.

Excellent, glad we can clear that up. Another concern in that same vein, when I view it from finder (the filesystem browser) it also appears as the Scratch logo.

I would like to point out that I am not a minor.

Okay    I was unaware of that fact.

We are aware of the source code release part of the Scratch liscence, but like BYOB, we are currently withholding the source for the same legitimate reason as them: it's not finished.

Makes sense, I only hope you get us the source soon 

Finally, in response to your second excerpt of the Scratch liscence, We have given the right to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, or distribute the Software or software derived from it ("Derivative Works") for non-commercial purposes in our terms of service, and just like the Scratch liscence, our condition is that credit be given to Scratch and/or Panther. We are not stopping people from sharing code any more than Scratch is.

Not according to your license,

Panther License wrote:

including the right to use, copy, publish, or distribute copies of the Software

Does not include the modify or merge clauses of the Scratch License.
If you have any more questions, I will answer them as best I can.