Scratch

I completly agree, Maki.

This is kinda related to this thread
http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=30902

I think this is the sort of site scratch has become now, a sort of play site for kids. Most of the people who liked programming are gone or just severely outnumbered by people who want to make simple pictures or animations. I don't think encouragement has a lot to do with anything, people just go with what they are familiar with and it seems a lot are familiar with pretend cat games or what have you.

I do think this kind of defeats the purpose of scratch which is to learn the basics of programming.

Last edited by archmage (2010-02-18 23:07:15)

MidnightWarrior wrote:

  i dont make projects anymore because i have to delete alot of mean comments all the time. So i RPG with my friends. <when green flag clicked><play sound[ <forever>

I have not failed,i have only found 7,000 ways that will not work. Nor will i ever fail,unless the great Earth decides i've tried enough and cuts my string loose. (Me & Benjamin Franklin combined quote)

What is an 'RPG'?

Let's admit it - Scratch is going crazy. In the old days the community was made of dedicated Scratchers, who actually did what Scratch was for - programming. But now it's completely different - the forums and the users are going crazy. Let's examine the two seperately:

    • The forums. In the later part of 2008 the Inspiration and More forum was made. This was horrible - users flocked to the new forum, ignoring the other forums where they could actually do something useful. They would just chat, ignoring the rest of the forums. It's horrible - and these are the Scratch Forums! Surely people should be flocking to All About Scratch, where they can be in a Scratch-related place?
   Then another bad step: The Text-Based Games. Think about it! In the Scratch forums, they added a forum for games! But let's not deny it - they created the Text-Based Games because people were posting games in Inspiration and More. But their way to take action against those games was disasterous.
   Oh, it was horrible. But luckily, Inspiration and More and the Text-Based Games were closed. Four new forums were made - Collaboration, Requests, Project Ideas and (the horror) Miscellaneous. Thankfully, no replacement forum was made for the Text-Based Games (they made a seperate forum for it, but since it's away from the rest of the website that's fine (sort of) ). Anyway, most of the damage was fixed - but the Miscellaneous forum still exists. *sigh* But enough about that.

    • The users. Through Scratch's history, the users have changed a whole lot. Let's examine it closer.
     • The '07ers: Users who busied themselves with Scratch programming. They helped a lot on the website, including the forums.
     • The '08ers: Users who did some Scratch programming, but were more active and chatty (Inspiration and More probably had an effect).
     • The '09ers: People who didn't do as much programming, and were RPG addicts (probably the Text-Based Games) and forum addicts (probably Inspiration and More). Not that great...
   No offense to any of the later users - I'm talking about the whole group, not about specific users.
   Anyway - you see how it went? The earlier users were more of the programming type, always wanting to help and contribute, while the later users were more of the forum addicts who weren't that helpful. Why can't we have users that actually care about Scratch? *sigh*

   That's just my opinion, but it sure seems like it's right, from what I've seen.

Last edited by Jonathanpb (2010-02-19 01:49:06)

Good question...

Here are some possible/probable/whatever reasons why:

1. Their friends joined.
2. Ooh, we can chat on this site!
3. Their older sibling joined.
4. I'll just join for the forums...

Maki-Tak wrote:

From now on I'm gonna stop doing those stupid remix chain projects

You'd better. >;D

Last edited by RHY3756547 (2010-02-21 15:36:12)

Maki-Tak wrote:

...I'm worried that Scratch is entering the RPG Generation...

You also mentioned that you RPG a lot...

...spend some time with us programmers, and you will soon realize that your worries are not necessary. 

archmage wrote:

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

Maki-Tak wrote:

From now on I'm gonna stop doing those stupid remix chain projects, (unless it means something to me.) and I'll upload more RPG bios on DeviantArt instead of Scratch. I'll spend more time programming than making animations and RPing. 

I trust you're 18 then?
Pffftt...

I think the 18 years thing only applies to buying and selling art. Otherwise it would do something about its majority of users who are below 18.

I see. (In actuality, I just heard that 18+ thing from Paddle, and have never been to the site myself).

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

I didn't understand a thing you said.

lmho. I'm talking about the RPGers. How they might learn to make proper games than RPGs.

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

archmage wrote:

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

I trust you're 18 then?
Pffftt...

I think the 18 years thing only applies to buying and selling art. Otherwise it would do something about its majority of users who are below 18.

I see. (In actuality, I just heard that 18+ thing from Paddle, and have never been to the site myself).

You are supposed to be 13 or +


Not that I listened.........

I think RPGing is fun, as long as you make sure rules are set in place and followed(NO POWERPLAYING) and it's not causing too many problems. I enjoy RPing in my freetime.