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#26 2010-01-12 11:19:46

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Re: Communism

Mr_X wrote:

Hitler wasn't racist

What?! In the history of man kind there has never been a bigger more radical racist, the main reason he sought to kill the Jews was because he believed they where an inferior race and where a threat to Germany’s "perfect race society".

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#27 2010-01-12 11:31:26

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So, a christian and a jew are different races?
[sarcasm] I never knew that [/sarcasm]
But he was racist I suppose, since he said whites were the master race

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#28 2010-01-12 11:32:28

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Re: Communism

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When did this forum become about hitler? COMMUNISM, peoples. And hitler considered himself socialist, which is a type of communism. So there, nazis.

No, Hitler established a fascist regime in Germany and socialism is not the same as communism anyways. So Hitler has nothing to do with the original premise of this thread.

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#29 2010-01-12 11:34:20

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Capitolism rules  tongue  anyway, Communism can work, just not successfully. Capitalism rules because it means the ones who try hard and do well in school do well (me included  wink  ), and the duds, who didn't do so well don't do so well. Would you actually try in school if you KNEW it didn't matter? I wouldn't, so the world would be minus one genius. )If your mind can't grasp something that bad, think of Palin becoming president)

You could compare this to scratch? would you work hard on a project, even if you got the same amounts of views and love its? Sure scratch is fun, but thats my extra motivation.

Capitalism is an economic system and communism is a system of government. With this fact in mind your comparison make no sense.

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#30 2010-01-12 11:34:30

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Re: Communism

archmage wrote:

TheTaroII wrote:

When did this forum become about hitler? COMMUNISM, peoples. And hitler considered himself socialist, which is a type of communism. So there, nazis.

No, Hitler established a fascist regime in Germany and socialism is not the same as communism anyways. So Hitler has nothing to do with the original premise of this thread.

Yet we continue to talk about him
Interesting........


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#31 2010-01-12 14:29:49

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Re: Communism

i love talking about hitler as much as the next guy, but what's this marxist communism thing?

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#32 2010-01-12 14:53:19

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Karl Marx was a revolutionary thinker who outlined the ideas behind communism in his book The Communist Manifesto. Marx lived during the industrial revolution and because he saw that workers were being exploited by wealthy capitalists wrote about a new form of government that should benefit everyone equally. This was been tried in a few countries and it usually fails. The problem with communism is that it doesn't allow people to earn greater profits for themselves which kills the incentive to work hard.

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#33 2010-01-12 15:11:24

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Re: Communism

ok thanks.

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#34 2010-01-12 15:27:25

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Re: Communism

too bad [violent imagery removed].  this is why i wish that the movie "inglorious (you know)" by quentin tarantino was real

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#35 2010-01-12 15:28:45

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that's terrible

the movie is good though, but torture is terrible

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#36 2010-01-12 15:34:21

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Communism is rather a good idea but it is corrupted by the people who run it..(the government.) With it being corrupt then it is just like forcing people to do what they don't want to do. Our system of government in the US is democratic which means, the people run the government and the people choose its laws and rights.
But some of you guys just judge that Communism is wrong even though you guys haven't experienced whats its like.
In Vietnam, its a Communist country. When you want to got somewhere like to visit a relative or to go out to buy something you HAVE to report it to the government. Also the idea of communism is too have everybody equal...no..in Vietnam there are MILLIONS of poor people and there are some rich people too....isn't that the same as a democratic country. Because democratic countries both have rich and poor people.
And on the subject of Hitler...he was good at leading Germany out of its recession(keep in mind i said recession) but (as i said before) helping Germany wasn't his true intent. Hitler led the country into a massive war involving  over 10 major countries. When he Hitler is fascist fascist and communism are NOT the same.
So after the war ended and Germany surrendered because Hitler committed suicide. Germany was now in a GREAT DEPRESSION. And guess who helped Germany out of its depression? The US and thats why Germany is democratic. So Hitler really killed massive numbers of jewish people and led the country into a Great Depression.


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#37 2010-01-12 15:40:03

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if your civics teacher is cool, he'll give you a paper with a story about the '3 wise men' who run the [a random unnamed] country. it's telling thhe story from the villagers point of view, making the place seem like a paradise while it is really about the communism. "the 3 wisest men in the country think for us, so we don't have to
, '"everyone gets paid equally", stuff like that. i can't remember it right now.

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#38 2010-01-12 15:41:17

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Re: Communism

I do not keep up with the news
can anyone tell me wat they did with fidel castoro

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#39 2010-01-12 15:47:39

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Re: Communism

What a very unusual topic.  tongue

Mr_X wrote:

So, a christian and a jew are different races?
[sarcasm] I never knew that [/sarcasm]
But he was racist I suppose, since he said whites were the master race

Not quite. Judaism has been referred to as a religion, a race, and as an ethnic group; Christianity, however, takes on more of a religious definition rather than a racial or ethnic one. I guessing here that Hitler saw Jews as a race, rather than as a religious group, but his hatred towards Jews seem to be a mystery in itself (so is his intentions for starting the Holocaust, but that is another story in itself). But enough about Hitler, his regime was fascist in nature and different from the original topic, which is about Marxist communism.

As for my view on communism: when I was still taking Advanced European history class, my friends and I were discussing about the idea of Marxist communism - we thought that the idea would have been great... if it was feasible in today's world. As archmage points out, it fails because there's no incentive for the worker to, well, work hard.


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#40 2010-01-12 15:55:32

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oh man I sure hope we don gotta learn this in history next year its so boring to me

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#41 2010-01-12 16:05:40

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oh you will... you will........[unfortunately this tv reference doesn't do well without the accent]

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#42 2010-01-12 17:23:32

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I can't believe what I am seeing here! Hitler was very evil! There's just no way around that fact. He killed MILLIONS of people. The Nazis would preform "medical experiments on them". They would do absolutely terrible things. You could be considered lucky being gassed compared to the other things they would do to you.

They would take a person and put him in ice water or put him outside with no clothes in sub-zero temperatures to see how long it would take him to die!

They would put people under sun lamps and burn there skin or put them in hot water and increase the temperature until they died!

They would inject hydrogen peroxide into people!

They would experiment with different poisons by putting the poison the person's food. Even if the person didn't die from this poison they would be killed immediately so they could be examined. 

The Nazi's most important goal was the "Aryan race" ("master race"). Germanic people with blond hair and blue eyes were the Aryan race. Others not meeting these racial requirements were to be "cleansed" from society through genocide (the murder of their entire ethnic group) .

This is only a FRACTION of the horrible things that the Nazis did under Hitler's rule. So who after reading this still thinks that Hitler rocks? Is Nazism really a good idea?


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#43 2010-01-12 17:46:27

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Re: Communism

DavidTy wrote:

fanofcena wrote:

HITLER RULES

Your joking right?

hopefully!!!

and on topic, i think communism is a really good idea, it just has never worked. if it could work succesfully and not become corrupt as fantasytales said then it would be a really good idea!


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#44 2010-01-12 17:48:50

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Re: Communism

funkymonkey wrote:

DavidTy wrote:

fanofcena wrote:

HITLER RULES

Your joking right?

hopefully!!!

and on topic, i think communism is a really good idea, it just has never worked. if it could work succesfully and not become corrupt as fantasytales said then it would be a really good idea!

Right now its not an idea...it has happened already  sad
And you wish it wouldn't it be corrupt but it is..(well in our democratic eyes)


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#45 2010-01-12 17:51:23

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1: Hitler is a sucky leader, he killed Jews, and utha awesome people.
2: Jews are a "race" yet there is only one real race: THE HUMAN RACE.
3: Communism sucks.


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#46 2010-01-12 17:51:54

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Please do not talk so much about hitler, I am a JEW. You can't imagine how insulting this is to me.

Also, this forum has drifted off-topic. Please try to get it back to Marxist Communism.

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#47 2010-01-12 17:52:51

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Re: Communism

funkymonkey wrote:

DavidTy wrote:

fanofcena wrote:

HITLER RULES

Your joking right?

hopefully!!!

and on topic, i think communism is a really good idea, it just has never worked. if it could work succesfully and not become corrupt as fantasytales said then it would be a really good idea!

Communism could never work, and it never has worked. In communism "perfect equality" there is no rich or poor, and no need to work. In a system like that, in which no one has to work, nothing gets done, and civilization collapses. The end. We all die.

Nazism was evil. I would post an image to describe if there was no terms of use.


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#48 2010-01-12 17:55:25

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And the only reason communism is hated is because nobody's done it right yet. If somebody had a good communism with no tyrant, it would be wonderland.

If you start that "People need the motive of money" thing, I'll yell at you. People who really would do something good for a good purpose wouldn't need the motivation of what Karl Marx calls the Visible Deity.

And NO MORE NAZISM TALK. I'm reporting anybody who says that hitler or nazis or nazis rule.

And I'm reporting the guy who said that hitler rules.

And I'm not capitalizing his name on purpose. He's not worth a capital, and never will be.

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#49 2010-01-12 17:57:00

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TheTaroII wrote:

And the only reason communism is hated is because nobody's done it right yet. If somebody had a good communism with no tyrant, it would be wonderland.

If you start that "People need the motive of money" thing, I'll yell at you. People who really would do something good for a good purpose wouldn't need the motivation of what Karl Marx calls the Visible Deity.

Well how can you do that if you give the government all the power and expect them to be fair? Ehh?


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#50 2010-01-12 18:00:54

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fanofcena wrote:

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

Hitler was actually a great leader. He freed Germany of the depression, and ultimately got rid of the depression throughout most of the world (war factories to combat him, and stuff). But then there was the genocide.

Quite Accurate anyways he was not the bad guy the bad guy was himmler his general of SS i think he was the one behind the Final Solution he was the one who was bad but used the hand of Hitler as authority. Hitler was gr8st leadr of all and actually they do not tell you bout what hitler did good they just tell u how bad jobs he did and if u see what allies had done after the first world war u will be shocked.

I agree that he hated jews but actually he used them to make a nationalism in the nation.

If you aren't joking about that . . .

And even as a joke it's horribly offensive. I have seven words to tell you all: I. AM. JEWISH! NO. MORE. NAZI. POSTS!

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