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pinochio wrote:

No flame war please, or else I will close this. Its just a survey.


I think art is not meant for scratch. Its just pictures, and even though there is a lot of effort put into them, they dont belong on a programming website. programming means games, animations, soft wares... etc. FSor art there are different websites.

QFT.

pinochio wrote:

floatingmagictree wrote:

pinochio wrote:

No flame war please, or else I will close this. Its just a survey.


I think art is not meant for scratch. Its just pictures, and even though there is a lot of effort put into them, they dont belong on a programming website. programming means games, animations, soft wares... etc. FSor art there are different websites.

QFT.

QFT?

Quoted For Truth.

We've been over this many times, pinochio. GET IT INTO YOUR DARNED HEAD.

floatingmagictree wrote:

pinochio wrote:

floatingmagictree wrote:

QFT.

QFT?

Quoted For Truth.

We've been over this many times, pinochio. GET IT INTO YOUR DARNED HEAD.

Im really forgetful Sorry...


Back on topic...

littletonkslover wrote:

Half-Wolf-Leader wrote:

I think that art should at least be allowed on scratch. It shouldn't cause such a panic, really. But art should mostly be animations, or at least have some sort of programming behind the scenes. ('Some sort' counts a fade in effect, etc.)

I second that!

If you want to hear a lengthy speech, just ask.

Go on, I dare you.

Half-Wolf-Leader wrote:

I think that art should at least be allowed on scratch. It shouldn't cause such a panic, really. But art should mostly be animations, or at least have some sort of programming behind the scenes. ('Some sort' counts a fade in effect, etc.)

What also counts is bios for characters.

*typing it as we speak*

floatingmagictree wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

Half-Wolf-Leader wrote:

I think that art should at least be allowed on scratch. It shouldn't cause such a panic, really. But art should mostly be animations, or at least have some sort of programming behind the scenes. ('Some sort' counts a fade in effect, etc.)

I second that!

If you want to hear a lengthy speech, just ask.

Go on, I dare you.

You just lived for that, didn't you 

    I believe art belongs on Scratch. There are a few reasons I believe this. The first I want you to consider is this; is art doing any harm? When people post art they worked hard on, do you think they want to hear this:"Post something that's meant to be on Scratch!" or", All you post is art!" Many users do actually post rude comments such as these. After much work, those replies seem unfair and upsetting. Would you like to finish a fine piece of programming, for it to be blindly insulted? I think not.

     Another thing to consider: Why users post art on Scratch. Usually to share it to the world to get feedback. Most people don't like to hear that their work doesn't belong on Scratch, especially when the Scratch Team themselves don't discourage art! Scratch is for sharing anything that required some work and is appropriate.
    Think about how some of the artists feel. I'm not trying to corner the programmers, but what if a union of artists started saying animations should be banned from Scratch. You might be thinking that Scratch is for programming. True, however, it is for a variety of things. Animation, programming, art, stimulation, and even stories are accepted.

              Some believe that art clogs up the Scratch website. Sometimes, this is true, when no effort is put into a drawing. However, character biographies are often a reference for role-playing games, an activity many Scratchers enjoy like you enjoy posting information on the forums. Reason this; artist may think demos for games are not worth posting, since they are not complete games. You want to show people what you are working on, correct?

            Some people are not allowed on art based sites such as Deviantart. For example, Deviantart.com says you must be 13 or older to register. Many Scratchers are not that old, but still want to show the world their art achievements via internet.  One appropriate and easy choice is Scratch. Even if some users are old enough to join a art website such as Deviantart, they may not feel comfortable joining or their parents or guardian will not allow them to join.
   
       One last paragraph to sum up my many thoughts: I think all forms of media should be allowed on Scratch.  Art and programming are both great things, so let's not dispute whether they should be allowed on Scratch or not. 

And they thought I couldn't do it 

Last edited by littletonkslover (2009-11-24 20:33:20)

FantasyTales wrote:

i'd have to say no, though littletonkslovers paragraph was great in my opinion it still sounds biased for the artists perspective, i agree with some of the things you are saying, but not all of them.  for example i think you make a fair point when saying that demos are also kind of a waste of time for the scratch community, however i also argue the point saying that it is impossible to test a game on the scratch site without posting a demo, a solution would be taking it off after you tested it or posting it under a test account.

i know i said "no" but i also classify art a bit differently
i would say that it doesnt really belong if it doesnt use scratch,  basically if you simply post a drawing without utilizing ANY of scratches features (excluding posting an image of course)  then it belongs to an art site.  if you used something in your artwork that you would need scratch to create then i think it does belong on the site.  i would also say that if it has something to do with scratch such as a drawing request that a scratcher needs for a game then it does belong.  so i have to say that art has a very different classification for me and that most of the art on the site has a valid reason to be there.

so essentially
if it has something to do with scratch,  or has utilized the scratch language, then it belongs here
if it doesnt, have something to do with scratch, and hasnt used the scratch programming language, then it doesnt belong

Good perspective too. However, I didn't say demos are a  waste, I just said some people think they are ^^

Yes and no. Personally, I don't do art. That's because (a. I'm not good at drawing, and (b. I just don't like to do art. I'm a good drawer off the computer, but on... Bad.

Some animations are okay - Ones that have a plotline, not lizards jumping on pogo sticks, etc. (Not that I have anything against pogo sticks - I have one at home and know some nice tricks) Ones that are a little longer are okay, but I'd rather have simulations and games any day.

Now we come to art. Maybe if there are several pictures in a "slideshow" - But one picture? No. That's not right, even if it had music. Did that take any programming skill whatsoever? No.

So that's my speech. My final verdict is "maybe", which doesn't get much proved.

Last edited by The-Whiz (2009-11-24 20:53:47)

Penguinsrock wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

You just lived for that, didn't you 

    I believe art belongs on Scratch. There are a few reasons I believe this. The first I want you to consider is this; is art doing any harm? When people post art they worked hard on, do you think they want to hear this:"Post something that's meant to be on Scratch!" or", All you post is art!" Many users do actually post rude comments such as these. After much work, those replies seem unfair and upsetting. Would you like to finish a fine piece of programming, for it to be blindly insulted? I think not.

     Another thing to consider: Why users post art on Scratch. Usually to share it to the world to get feedback. Most people don't like to hear that their work doesn't belong on Scratch, especially when the Scratch Team themselves don't discourage art! Scratch is for sharing anything that required some work and is appropriate.
    Think about how some of the artists feel. I'm not trying to corner the programmers, but what if a union of artists started saying animations should be banned from Scratch. You might be thinking that Scratch is for programming. True, however, it is for a variety of things. Animation, programming, art, stimulation, and even stories are accepted.

              Some believe that art clogs up the Scratch website. Sometimes, this is true, when no effort is put into a drawing. However, character biographies are often a reference for role-playing games, an activity many Scratchers enjoy like you enjoy posting information on the forums. Reason this; artist may think demos for games are not worth posting, since they are not complete games. You want to show people what you are working on, correct?

            Some people are not allowed on art based sites such as Deviantart. For example, Deviantart.com says you must be 13 or older to register. Many Scratchers are not that old, but still want to show the world their art achievements via internet.  One appropriate and easy choice is Scratch. Even if some users are old enough to join a art website such as Deviantart, they may not feel comfortable joining or their parents or guardian will not allow them to join.
   
       One last paragraph to sum up my many thoughts: I think all forms of media should be allowed on Scratch.  Art and programming are both great things, so let's not dispute whether they should be allowed on Scratch or not. 

And they thought I couldn't do it 

QFT

Amen.

Yes! Definatly! Scratch is for artists, progrmmers and all kinds.

Is art is easier to understand, that is not bad. Oh my, I better stop before I start lecturing again.