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martianshark wrote:

Inspiration and More was supposed to be to inspire Scratch projects, but today people just use it as an off topic section. Don't make off topic threads. If you agree with me, say so.

I respectfully disagree.

It's really hard to say what is going to inspire people...it could be something totally unrelated to Scratch.  I could put up a post about destruction of the Rain Forest that might inspire you to make a great environmentally-conscious Scratch project showing global deforestation in the last 20 years (just an example).

So I'm not sure there is any such thing as an off-topic inspirational post 

I'm sorry but I can't agree with you Martianshark,
As Lucario stated this forum is called inspiration & more, and very many topics fit into the category more.

And I think the inspiration & more forum is good for Scratchers to get to know each other better, and learn about each others cultures.
For example:
I recently made a thread where you write some facts about your country, I thought it was really fun to learn about other users countries and I learned a lot.

dingdong wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

dingdong wrote:

I can say whatever I bloody well want on inspiration and more and I'm going to use that privilege! so just watch me post random stuff! mwhahahahaahah!!!!

dingdong, don't you get the point? People should be posting things relevant to Scratch. Inspiration and More just sounds like an excuse...

whatever happened to being a human being? I like to talk with peoples, how about you? or do you just like being anti-socialist

Maybe you could join a chatrooming site... that would be better suited for what you like then. 

Paddle2See wrote:

martianshark wrote:

Inspiration and More was supposed to be to inspire Scratch projects, but today people just use it as an off topic section. Don't make off topic threads. If you agree with me, say so.

I respectfully disagree.

It's really hard to say what is going to inspire people...it could be something totally unrelated to Scratch.  I could put up a post about destruction of the Rain Forest that might inspire you to make a great environmentally-conscious Scratch project showing global deforestation in the last 20 years (just an example).

So I'm not sure there is any such thing as an off-topic inspirational post 

You have a good point... but the majority of the topics in Inspiration and More are just unrelated to Scratch. I've seen one where the title of a topic is '.' and you have to try and click it. You can say it's inspiration (hey, I could make a project where you have to click pixels!), but most of those topics can't be called inspiration. But you have a point...

Last edited by Jonathanpb (2009-11-08 05:41:04)

Jonathanpb wrote:

People seem to have trouble defining "more"... can some Scratch Team person please define it for us? We're all confused. 

I'm quite confused too
This is what Andrès said about inspiration & more:

Andresmh wrote:

This forum is about things that can inspire people to create future Scratch projects even if they are not 100% related to Scratch. Some topics will be closed if they become chat rooms or to chaotic. The goal is to keep the rest of the forums free of unrelated threads.

Last edited by jacool (2009-11-08 05:40:59)

Jonathanpb wrote:

Great idea, jacool. Digging back and seeing what people really said...

I know that he said that topics don't have to be 100% related, but some topics are just plain crazy. And the majority of topics are 0% related to Scratch! Is this right for the Scratch Forums?

I think "more" means that it isn't just inspiration, but still Scratch related.

I know, but Andrés stated that The goal is to keep the rest of the forums free of unrelated threads
So does anything that doesn't belong in the other forums, belong in Inspiration & More instead or do they not belong on Scratch at all?

Jôñäthânpb wrote:

By the way, you got the wrong 'e'. It's not è... it's é. But who would notice? 

Oops   
I don't really know when to use which 

Last edited by jacool (2009-11-08 05:53:29)

Jonathanpb wrote:

You ruined my username!

Lol, I don't know when to use special characters 

cheddargirl wrote:

It's hard to remove 'Inspiration and More' because of it's potential as a hotbed of ideas for Scratch projects. But, in my opinion, I think Inspiration and More could be split into multiple sections such as:
Requests - For things like sprite requests, etc.
Opinion and Debate - For discussions about different ideas. Surveys included here, too.
Non-Scratch Game talk - For those who play games outside of Scratch (Pokémon, Roblox, Dragon Cave, etc.)
Non-Scratch Community talk - For things not about Scratch (like the "Recipe Book" thread, or the "Weird Dreams" thread)
Collaboration Projects - For collaborations on Scratch projects
Project Ideas Help - For help with ideas for a project

To be honest, I totally like this idea. The thing is, if the Inspiration and More forum is spread out into more forums, than it would be like theres lots more emphasis on Off-Topic, than Scratch itself. In that case, forums such as Show and tell would have to be spread out into Projects, Galleries, and Contests, and Sensor Boards might be Lego WeDo, and Picoboards, and etc.

Paddle2See wrote:

I respectfully disagree.

It's really hard to say what is going to inspire people...it could be something totally unrelated to Scratch.  I could put up a post about destruction of the Rain Forest that might inspire you to make a great environmentally-conscious Scratch project showing global deforestation in the last 20 years (just an example).

So I'm not sure there is any such thing as an off-topic inspirational post 

Another good point. Whatever you say, can inspire someone to make a project about it. Although I will say that some things in Inspiration and More are still totally off topic.

andresmh wrote:

This forum is about things that can inspire people to create future Scratch projects even if they are not 100% related to Scratch. Some topics will be closed if they become chat rooms or to chaotic. The goal is to keep the rest of the forums free of unrelated threads.

I think this is the main reason that this forum is still here. It was here for a reason, and currently it serves this purpose.

One thing, is that me, adriangl, and a few other members are using this forum for a collab. Theres no collab forum, and putting it in Show and Tell isn't telling people about their projects, so putting it in Inspiration and More does the job, and also this way fewer people view it, so people don't test the betas so much.

cheddargirl wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

It's hard to remove 'Inspiration and More' because of it's potential as a hotbed of ideas for Scratch projects. But, in my opinion, I think Inspiration and More could be split into multiple sections such as:
Requests - For things like sprite requests, etc.
Opinion and Debate - For discussions about different ideas. Surveys included here, too.
Non-Scratch Game talk - For those who play games outside of Scratch (Pokémon, Roblox, Dragon Cave, etc.)
Non-Scratch Community talk - For things not about Scratch (like the "Recipe Book" thread, or the "Weird Dreams" thread)
Collaboration Projects - For collaborations on Scratch projects
Project Ideas Help - For help with ideas for a project

To be honest, I totally like this idea. The thing is, if the Inspiration and More forum is spread out into more forums, than it would be like theres lots more emphasis on Off-Topic, than Scratch itself. In that case, forums such as Show and tell would have to be spread out into Projects, Galleries, and Contests, and Sensor Boards might be Lego WeDo, and Picoboards, and etc.

Actually, spreading out some of the existing topics may not be such a bad idea.    There is some practicality of splitting 'Show and Tell' into a Projects Section and a Gallery section (as users may only want to browse through only project or only galleries), and decomposing the 'Sensor Board' topic would also have a similar effect (although you may need a 'General' section for sensor boards because some topics there I have found to be broad).

Great idea cheddargirl!

Inspiration and more is offtopic.... So people can get inspired by the not-relating-to-scratch posts...

Jonathanpb wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

My opinion is that Scratch doesn't really care what goes into IaM as long as it's clean and respectful. I think that they just put all the "leftover" topics that don't belong anywhere in it, sort of like a place for excess threads.

You're right. People'll just throw anything into Inspiration and More, when the forum should be for inspiration.

You misunderstand my point.

What I meant by Scratch was the Scratch Team themselves don't care what goes in Inspiration and More. And sometimes forum moderators, too. I don't mean the entire Scratch community. Well, don't get me wrong, I think that everyone is throwing random stuff into Inspiration and More, but I think the Scratch Team is too, since they don't really care where it goes, as long as it's not hogging up space in the main forum.

To try and cover up the confusion (which probably won't), I'll quote Andrés and try and examine it.

andresmh wrote:

This forum is about things that can inspire people to create future Scratch projects even if they are not 100% related to Scratch. Some topics will be closed if they become chat rooms or to chaotic. The goal is to keep the rest of the forums free of unrelated threads.

If you're one of the people who thinks that this post doesn't exist, here's André's post.

Now let's break this up.

"This forum is about things that can inspire people to create future Scratch projects even if they are not 100% related to Scratch." This explains a lot. But doesn't that sound like the forum's only for inspiration? Where does the "more" part come in?

"Some topics will be closed if they become chat rooms or to chaotic. The goal is to keep the rest of the forums free of unrelated threads." Note the bit about keeping the forums clean of unrelated threads. Yes, Inspiration and More is keeping the forums clean, but that's because all of the junk is being posted in here (which was the point, remember). The problem is that we have a whole forum full of this junk... and plenty of people (one's admitted it) only use the forums for 'chatting' in Inspiration and More.

The summary: Inspiration and More is about topics that inspire people, even if they're not completely related to Scratch. It was also created with the goal of keeping the other forums clean. Topics will be closed if they become chatrooms or chaotic.

You can ignore that last sentence; it doesn't have to do much with what we're discussing. But something I want to point out here:

Topics don't have to be completely relevant to Scratch. But what about the large amount of topics that don't have anything to do with Scratch at all? Is this right? The statement looks like topics have to have some relevance to Scratch.

What do you think? Personally, I'm disgusted.

It's a nice idea, but there are a few things:

1. That's already happening, but it's called Inspiration and More as an excuse (it's probably not, but it sure seems like it).
2. It'd be totally un-related to Scratch, and deserve to be moved to a seperate website (or to join the Text-Based Games?).

Instead, I think that Inspiration and More should be renamed Inspiration, have it's topics cleared out, and move it to the Scratch section of the forums. What do you think?