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Hahahahahahahaha 
It's fact . . . we release carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses that drift into the atmosphere, they then get trapped there and keep the heat caught within the planet's atmosphere causing the earth to heat up.

lol BlueFlame 

GoogleplexPlus wrote:

The US has been showing signs of recovering from the "Global Warming" scam.
That's good.

To convince you drongos who still believe in "Global Warming" that you're wrong, I'm going to tell you about the reasons that make you believe in this supposed crisis.

Reasons to Believe
1. The earth is getting warmer.
2. The earth is getting warmer because of us.
3. We can do something about it.

The first reason can cross out all other reasons. If it doesn't feel warmer, then there is no global warming, not natural or human-caused. It sure feels colder. The second reason means that we shouldn't care about this psuedo crisis if it's nature. The third, oh, I want to know what you think.

It feels colder WHERE YOU ARE and thus global warming can't be true?

A small clue for you - if it is dark outside where you are, it does not mean it is dark over the entire world.  If it seems cold where you are (You think that might be because its winter?) it does not mean it is cold over the entire world.

A second point - the plural of "anecdote" (which is what you have) is not "data" (which is what scientists have).

A 3rd point - 97% of all scientists that work in the field agree that the climate is changing due to mankinds effect on the environment.  If 97 doctors told me there was something wrong with me and I needed to change my lifestyle to fix it, I wouldn't ignore them becuase 3 others said I was fine, or because my next door neighbour (no doctor) says "hey, you look OK to me."

But lets pretend that you are right, that somehow your uneducated, non-scientific opinion is better informed than the people who have dedicated their lives to studying this stuff.  Reducing pollution and researching renewable energy IS STILL A GOOD IDEA.

GLOBAL WARMING EXISTS.
Of course, it doesn't FEEL like it's getting warmer or colder NOW, but it will eventually; and sure, the Earth has a cycle where it gives and takes Carbon Dioxide, but it can only recycle so much. We're producing too much for the Earth to filter, so it's adding onto the atmosphere. and It HAS been proven that the ice caps are melting.

All of the points in your 'Argument' are false and incorrect. You may want to actually do some RESEARCH before assuming what you think makes more sense in your mind to be correct.

deatheater wrote:

And if you think they made a big mistake, know it and are covering up, why do they spend millions trying to fix global warming

BECAUSE THEY'RE A BUNCH OF COMMIES 
MyRedNeptune >.>
Deatheater, don't you live in Australia? I remember hearing somewhere that people in Australia feel the effects of Global Warming the worst, more than anywhere else.

Mayhem wrote:

GoogleplexPlus wrote:

The US has been showing signs of recovering from the "Global Warming" scam.
That's good.

To convince you drongos who still believe in "Global Warming" that you're wrong, I'm going to tell you about the reasons that make you believe in this supposed crisis.

Reasons to Believe
1. The earth is getting warmer.
2. The earth is getting warmer because of us.
3. We can do something about it.

The first reason can cross out all other reasons. If it doesn't feel warmer, then there is no global warming, not natural or human-caused. It sure feels colder. The second reason means that we shouldn't care about this psuedo crisis if it's nature. The third, oh, I want to know what you think.

It feels colder WHERE YOU ARE and thus global warming can't be true?

A small clue for you - if it is dark outside where you are, it does not mean it is dark over the entire world.  If it seems cold where you are (You think that might be because its winter?) it does not mean it is cold over the entire world.

A second point - the plural of "anecdote" (which is what you have) is not "data" (which is what scientists have).

A 3rd point - 97% of all scientists that work in the field agree that the climate is changing due to mankinds effect on the environment.  If 97 doctors told me there was something wrong with me and I needed to change my lifestyle to fix it, I wouldn't ignore them becuase 3 others said I was fine, or because my next door neighbour (no doctor) says "hey, you look OK to me."

But lets pretend that you are right, that somehow your uneducated, non-scientific opinion is better informed than the people who have dedicated their lives to studying this stuff.  Reducing pollution and researching renewable energy IS STILL A GOOD IDEA.

It can actually get colder because it gets warmer. The ice caps melt and send currents of cold water to your area.

IT'S REAL!

archmage wrote:

I remember studying global in science class. Some of the debates against the impact of global warming were:
Yes, it is happening, but it would take too long to make any significant impact.
And, global warming is a threat, but threats like overpopulation, lack of fresh water are much more immediate and have a greater priority than global warming.

Just thought I would throw that out there.

Right.

Also... Like I said in another topic. The Sun has been gradually increasing it's energy output. Maybe we did something to increase the temperature suddenly, but It's not like we put so much CO2 into the air that it is drastically warmer while the sun stayed at it's normal heat output.

Last edited by torterra (2009-10-26 15:10:53)

torterra wrote:

archmage wrote:

I remember studying global in science class. Some of the debates against the impact of global warming were:
Yes, it is happening, but it would take too long to make any significant impact.
And, global warming is a threat, but threats like overpopulation, lack of fresh water are much more immediate and have a greater priority than global warming.

Just thought I would throw that out there.

Right.

Also... Like I said in another topic. The Sun has been gradually increasing it's energy output. Maybe we did something to increase the temperature suddenly, but It's not like we put so much CO2 into the air that it is drastically warmer while the sun stayed at it's normal heat output.

and as I've said in previous topics, that doesn't explain previous ice ages, and as Martianshark said, during the stone age it was hotter than it is now, and if your theory was correct it should have been colder back then

Global warming is a media phrase, not a scientific one, by the way.  Scientists are generally more likely to talk about Climate Change.  And since what we are currently worried about is mankinds ability to affect climate change, it is more correct to talk about anthropocentric climate change.

But its easy to see how some people might be misled into associating an increase average global temperature with sunspot activity.

This graph is often referenced:



And yes, that graph does show a strong correlation.

But look closely.  Not at the lines, but at the last date.  1980?  Almost 30 years ago?  Why do you think" global warming" deniers don't use the last 30 years of the graph too?

Because, as they full well know, after 1980 sunspot activity starts to fall but global temperature continues to rise, as does Co2:



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So its completely understandable why some people, seeing only the first graph, might be taken in by the anti-anthropocentric-climate-change movement.  However, they have been cruelly deceived and need to look at the whole dataset, before blindly repeating anti-anthropocentric-climate-change propaganda.

Last edited by Mayhem (2009-10-26 16:09:15)

archmage wrote:

Could you provide some trustworthy sources that say that the sun's heat output has increased?

Sure thing, buddy!

The Sun started increasing energy output in the late 19th Century....
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0313irradiance.html

Is NASA good enough for ya?

*Edit Note: Had to shorten the quote
**Edit Note: Radiation started in the late 19th Century

Last edited by torterra (2009-10-26 19:45:41)

The earth really is warming up. In fact, since the 1800s, the climate has raised A WHOLE DEGREE!! 

It's true global warming exists, however, people stretch it way too far out of proportion. We're not even close to having anything severe happen, we're not going to have massive floods or anything. 90% of it is just natural temperature change anyway, and eventually it'll cool down again.

That doesn't mean we should stop trying to find more energy-efficient ways of life. In fact, wasting resources is a much bigger problem than climate change, but that's something else altogether.

This debate is interesting because how much work people are putting into these post lol